Tuesday, 18^th March, 2025

The House met at 1430 hours

[MADAM SPEAKER in the Chair]

NATIONAL ANTHEM

PRAYER

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ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MADAM SPEAKER

PRESENCE IN THE PUBLIC GALLERY OF PUPILS AND TEACHERS FROM FIRSTRATE INTERNATIONAL ACADEMIC CENTRE

Madam Speaker: Order, hon. Members!

Hon. Members, I wish to recognise the presence, in the Public Gallery, of pupils and teachers from First rate International Academic Centre in Lusaka District.

On behalf of the National Assembly of Zambia, I warmly welcome our visitors into our midst.

I thank you.

PRESENCE IN THE PUBLIC GALLERY OF STUDENTS FROM MULUNGUSHI UNIVERSITY ECONOMICS ASSOCIATION

Madam Speaker: Hon. Members, I wish to also recognise the presence, in the Public Gallery, of students from Mulungushi University Economics Association in Kapiri Mposhi District.

On behalf of the National Assembly of Zambia, I warmly welcome our visitors into our midst.

I thank you.

PRESENCE IN THE PUBLIC GALLERY OF PUPILS AND TEACHERS FROM MUNALI   ADVENTIST SCHOOL IN LUSAKA DISTRICT

Madam Speaker: Hon. Members, I wish to recognise the presence in the Public Gallery of   pupils   and   teachers   from   Munali   Adventist School in Lusaka District.

On behalf of the National Assembly of Zambia, I warmly welcome our visitors into our midst.

I thank you, you.

CONLUSION OF DEBATE ON THE MOTION OF THANKS

Madam Speaker: Hon. Members, the House will recall that on 4^th March, 2025, when debate on the Motion of Thanks to the President’s Address commenced, the House was informed that Backbenchers would debate the Motion for seven days while the Executive would respond in the last three days.

Hon. Members, in this regard, I wish to remind the House that the debate for the Backbenchers will end today. From tomorrow up to Friday, the Executive will respond.  I seize this opportunity to remind the Executive to not leave the responses to the last day. However, if an opportunity allows, I will use my discretion, as Presiding Officer, to call upon the Backbenchers to debate.

I thank you.

Hon. Members: Hear, hear!

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URGENT MATTERS WITHOUT NOTICE

MR B. MPUNDU, HON. MEMBER FOR NKANA, ON HER HONOUR THE VICE-PRESIDENT, MRS NALUMANGO, ON THE ALLEGED ECONOMIC SABOTAGE

Hon. Government Members: Kasongo!

Mr Kapyanga:  Alebwelelapo.

Mr B. Mpundu: Madam Speaker, my Urgent Matter without Notice is directed at the Leader of Government Business in the House, Her Honour the Vice-President.

Madam Speaker, sabotaging the economy is arguably the worst form of crime anyone can commit. In other countries, it is punishable by hanging, an example being China. A single action or act of single sourcing a supplier of fuel has proved to have been an act of economic sabotage. This is the awarding of a contract to Agro Fuel Investments Limited to supply fuel. The opening of the access of the pipeline has revealed that the prices of transporting fuel were actually doubled. This is evidenced by the reduction in the cost by half the price that was being charged by this particular company.

Madam Speaker, is Her Honour the Vice-President in order to not have come to this august House to inform the nation of the punitive measures that are going to be meted on the officers from the Ministry of Energy who committed this sabotage against the Zambian people, which action led to what we are dealing with vis-a vis the ever-increasing prices of the commodities.

Madam Speaker, I seek your serious ruling as to why Her Honour the Vice-President should not come to speak to us.

Madam Speaker: Thank you very much, hon. Member for Nkana. First of all, hon. Members, when we raise issues before the House, what we say must be factual and verifiable. The hon. Member for Nkana has made serious allegations about sabotaging the economy. I do not know if he has any evidence to show that there was any sabotage or he is just making assumption.

Madam Speaker: Anyway, my ruling on the issue is that the hon. Member for Nkana can file in a question and the hon. Minister responsible for Energy will be able to provide the answer as the issue does not qualify to be raised as an Urgent Matter without Notice.

Madam Speaker: The hon. Member for Mitete, welcome back! It is good to see that you are okay now.

Mr Mutelo: Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Hon. Member: Hear, hear!

MR MUTELO, HON. MEMBER FOR MITETE, ON THE HON. MINISTER OF FINANCE AND NATIONAL PLANNING, DR MUSOKOTWANE, ON THE BRIEFCASE BUYERS OF MAIZE

Mr Mutelo (Nkana): On an Urgent Matter without Notice, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: An Urgent Matter without Notice is raised.

Mr Mutelo (Mitete): Madam Speaker, my Urgent Matter without Notice is directed at the hon. Minister of Finance and National Planning. Like you have stated it is a fact that this year, the crops are looking promising to some of us who have fields. We expect to have a bumper harvest.  However, what is urgent about it is that there is a danger of briefcase buyers exploiting farmers. How prepared is the hon. Minister of Finance and National Planning as regards buying …

Hon. Opposition Members: Ah!

Laughter

Mr Mutelo: Madam Speaker, the people who are saying, “Ah” call the hon. Minister as hon. ‘Minister of hunger’. Since the yield is promising, the hon. Minister of Agriculture is now going to become the hon. ‘Minister of feeding people’. How prepared is the hon. Minister of Finance and National Planning to secure enough funds to buy crops from the promising bumper harvest?

Hon. Members: Hear, hear!

Madam Speaker: Order!

Let us make progress.

Hon. Member for Mitete, I believe that the hon. Minister of Finance and National Planning is coming to deliver a Ministerial Statement on the state of the economy later on the Floor of this House. So, you can ask that question then, if you want. Otherwise, you can file an ordinary question, and the hon. Minister of Agriculture will tackle it. If there is going to be a bumper harvest, we can only thank the Lord for it.

MR MTAYACHALO, HON. MEMBER FOR CHAMA NORTH, ON HER HONOUR THE VICE-PRESIDENT, MRS NALUMANGO, ON DELAYED SOCIAL CASH TRANSFER PAYMENTS

Mr Mtayachalo (Chama North): On an Urgent Matter without Notice, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: An Urgent Matter without Notice is raised by the hon. Member for Chama North.

Mr Mtayachalo: Madam Speaker, my Urgent Matter without Notice is directed at the hon. Minister of Community Development and Social Services but, since I have not seen her in the House, I will direct it to the Leader of Government Business in the House.

Madam Speaker, the Social Cash Transfer (SCT) programme and other social security programmes are meant to help vulnerable people in society meet their basic needs. Today is 18^th March, 2025, and the SCT beneficiaries have not been paid for January and February yet, which is creating many challenges for them to survive, especially since we had a devastating drought last year that affected household food security. The delay in disbursing the money is making our people stay days without food. I have just come from my constituency where I was for more than two weeks, and the situation is very bad. We do not know when the people will be paid their allowances. It is now hon. Members who are rendering financial help daily to the people, which is unsustainable as they cannot manage to help each and every affected person.

Madam Speaker, I seek your serious indulgence.

Madam Speaker: Hon. Member, I know that you were in your constituency last week, because you were joining the Sittings virtually. I think, in such instances, as I earlier guided, it is better to engage the hon. Minister of Community Development and Social Services to inform her that the Social Cash Transfer (SCT) allowances in Chama North are not being paid on time. So, whether it is the whole country or otherwise, it is better to inform the hon. Minister. Even if you raised an Urgent Matter without Notice here, in this House, and the hon. Minister delivered a Ministerial Statement after two days, would the money have been paid out? It is better to engage.

I always encourage you, hon. Members, to engage the hon. Ministers so that we can address the immediate needs of our people.

Hon. Member for Chama North, the matter does not qualify to be raised as an Urgent Matter without Notice. I suggest you explore other means to address the issue on behalf of the people you represent.

Thank you very much.

We are usually allowed to raise three matters. Unfortunately, hon. Member for Lundazi, rules are rules, and we need to comply. We have a lot of business we need to attend to.

I have permitted –

Interruptions

Madam Speaker: Order!

Hon. Members, can we reduce on the talking.

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MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS

STATISTICS ON FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO SMALL-SCALE MINERS ISSUED WITH MINING LICENCES.

The Minister of Mines and Minerals Development (Mr Kabuswe): Madam Speaker, thank you very much for according me this opportunity to provide an update to this House, and the nation at large, on the statistics on financial support to artisanal and small-scale miners issued with mining licences.

Madam Speaker, on Tuesday, 25^th February, 2025, I responded to a Question for Oral Answer, which was before this House, regarding the number of mining licences that were issued in 2022 and 2023. During the proceedings, you guided me to come back to the House with a statement explaining the statistics on financial support to artisanal and small-scale miners issued with mining licences.

Madam Speaker, the artisanal and small-scale mining subsector has considerably grown in the recent past, and it is not only a source of livelihood for our people but also, contributes significantly to the country's socio-economic development. The Government has, therefore, identified this subsector as having high potential to increase its contribution to the mainstream national economy as well as revenue and wealth creation. In that regard, the Government has been implementing various efforts to unlock the mining subsector’s full potential. In working tirelessly, this Government has made strides in developing it and ensuring that it contributes to the economy.

Madam Speaker, the Government, through the ministry, working in a multi-sectoral approach has undertaken measures to support artisanal and small-scale miners in various ways. Some of the interventions being carried out to support the subsector include the following:

1. access to finance for artisanal and small-scale miners. The Government has facilitated the formation of co-operatives to encourage formal mining operations. As of January 2025, 680 artisanal mining rights have been granted across the country. Formalisation is an intervention by the Government aimed at providing technical services, including access to finance, markets and technology, to artisanal and small-scale miners. To that effect, the ministry has increased its allocation towards artisanal and small mining activities meant to support the subsector from K52.1 million in 2023 to K131.4 million in 2024, which has been maintained in 2025. In addition, the Ministry of Small and Medium Enterprise Development, through the Citizens Economic Empowerment Commission (CEEC), has supported twenty-eight artisanal and small-scale miners with funding varying from K862,720 to K19,096,480.

1. to support artisanal and small-scale miners’ access to markets, the ministry is constructing two gold marketing centres in Mumbwa and Rufunsa at a cost of K19,207,312.13, and construction will be completed in 2025. The two areas have been identified as pilot sites due to the significant gold mining activities that are taking place in the two districts. Further, my ministry has so far procured equipment ranging from washing plants to gold detectors amounting to K12.7 million to support artisanal and small-scale miners to ramp up their mining operations and increase production. Eighty-five co-operatives in Mumbwa and Rufunsa are expected to benefit from this intervention. In addition, to support the operationalisation of the centres, Zambia Gold Company Limited has been appointed as an aggregator to be buying gold from formalised gold mining co-operatives at attractive rates.

1. In terms of licencing, to streamline the application processes, a self-service online mining cadastre system (SSOMCS) has been introduced. The system is meant to provide an online platform for the application for mining and non-mining rights to be processed in real-time, thereby, addressing challenges faced by the artisanal and small-scale miners in delayed processing of applications and reducing human interface.

1. capacity building and training. To enhance the sector, the ministry in collaboration with stakeholders, such as the Zambia Environmental Management Agency (ZEMA), has been conducting capacity-building programmes for miners. The programme focuses on basic mining methods, skills development, health and safety, and environmental protection. To date, the capacity-building and training programme has covered a number of districts, such as Rufunsa, Mumbwa, Lusangazi, Kalomo, Mpika, Chibombo, Chisamba and Vubwi.

Madam Speaker, there are also on-going policy, legislative and institutional reforms aimed at reorganising the artisanal and small-scale subsector. Policy reforms include formalisation of the sub-sector, which is currently being implemented across the country to increase participation of local people in the mining value chain. Legal reforms include repealing and replacement of the Mines and Minerals Development Act No. 11 of 2015 to unlock the potential of the artisanal and small-scale miners and institutional reforms to set up a department under the ministry to oversee the operations of artisanal and small-scale miners. A fund dedicated to supporting artisanal and small-scale miners is also in the offing under the on-going legal reforms to ensure increased funding to the subsector to accelerate its growth.

Madam Speaker, in collaboration with the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), through the African Caribbean and Pacific - European Union (ACP-EU) Development Minerals Programme, the Government has continued to provide support to artisanal and small-scale miners.

Madam Speaker, under Phase III of the programme, planned activities for 2025 include: issuing of grants/equipment to women-led mines in the artisanal and small-scale mining sub-sector, linking the artisanal and small-scale miners to markets (large-scale mines) through the supplier development programme and training to minimise accidents in the sector.

Madam Speaker, let me reiterate that the Government is fully committed to ensuring that Zambians benefit from their mineral resources through increased participation in the mining sector. By addressing the challenges faced by the artisanal and small-scale miners, the Government seeks to realise the full potential of the sub-sector to contribute to the economic growth of the country. I urge all stakeholders, including financial institutions, mining associations, and development partners, to partner with the Government in supporting the growth of this sector.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Madam Speaker: Hon. Members are now free to ask questions on points of clarification on the Ministerial Statement presented by the hon. Minister of Mines and Minerals Development.

Mr Simbao (Luanshya): Madam Speaker, as much as the hon. Minister has said that the ministry has given out licenses, the youths in Luanshya are having difficulties holding back because, up to date, they have not been allowed to go ahead and mine. What is causing the delay?

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, licenses have been given across the country. I am not sure whether there are any artisanal licenses that are yet to be given out in Luanshya. I need to find out, except that we need to be careful also about some activities of our youths in Luanshya because some of them could have been budging into areas already licensed to other mining companies. However, I hear the hon. Member. Maybe, I need to investigate and if there are applications that have been processed for artisanal miners in Luanshya, then I will follow it up and make sure that they begin to operate.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Mumba (Kantanshi): Madam Speaker, when I was seated here, I could not fully understand why the Government could be so involved in a matter that should be spearheaded by the private sector. However, I got comfort from the hon. Minister when he talked about stakeholders coming together to join hands with the Government.

Madam Speaker, the Government will spend close to K19 million on Mumbwa Marketing Centre, and the Zambia Gold Company Limited, which is a private company, is supposed to be aggregating the gold together with the Government. Why has the ministry not encouraged companies like these to actually take the space in terms of funding these projects rather than funds directly coming from the ministry? We are trying to encourage active private participation from small-scale mines, which will eventually also contribute to our tax base, bearing in mind that the Zambia Revenue Authority (ZRA) announced that out of 6,000 mines, only seven are paying taxes.

Madam Speaker: Hon. Members, as we ask questions, let us be precise and to the point so that we can allow as many hon. Members as possible to ask questions.

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, I thank the hon. Member for that important question.

Madam Speaker, when we took over the Government in 2021, we realised that the artisanal and small-scale miners were basically working on their own; there was a gap. So, we engaged the private sector, including banks. However, you know that private sector players follow a particular model to make sure that they also make a profit. They do not engage just because they want to help. They engage because they want to have a return on their investment. So, as the Government, we wanted to take the lead and formalise things because licensing is done by us.  However, we wanted to go a step further because some of the miners lacked capacity to even approach financiers even when they had documents like licenses. That is why even President Hichilema is on record advising miners to not sell their licenses. 

Madam Speaker, the Government will try and guide some miners and speak to potential investors who they can jive with and be able to actualise the potential of the licenses. So, really, the private sector is now coming on board because it has seen that the Government is very serious. That is why the Government has set up gold marketing centres. As a matter of fact, the Government is not just throwing that money in a bottomless pit, there will be a return on that money because through the Zambia Gold Company Limited, already aggregation has begun in the areas where marketing centres are being set up, even before they are officially opened. The reports that are coming are quite encouraging, especially from Mumbwa and Rufunsa areas.

Madam Speaker, the Government took the lead, and it has really been talking to various private sector players, including big mines. Apart from gold, we are also encouraging the big mines to off take from the artisanal miners who mine copper and other minerals. They should go into an agreement with them, teach them safe mining, empower them with equipment and then off take from them. The private sector is coming on board, but the Government also wants to benefit from the gold because the money that it has released is not going into a bottomless pit.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Charles Mulenga (Kwacha): Madam Speaker, thank you for giving me the opportunity, on behalf of the people of Kwacha, to ask the hon. Minister a question. I would also like to thank the hon. Minister for issuing that Ministerial Statement.

Madam Speaker, there is a concern out there that two licenses could have been issued for one mine. What is the ministry doing to avoid duplication of licenses and infighting?

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, yes, those things have happened in the past. However, the cure to that is what the Government is currently doing, digitalising the system so that one does not lump another license on top of another and if that is done, the system will reject it. So, that is a cure to that problem. Yes, this has been happening but, I think, we are trying to cure that problem.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Kang’ombe (Kamfinsa): Madam Speaker, you will recall that my question to the hon. Minister prompted you to direct him to come with the statistics in the statement he has presented today. With your indulgence, I request to be allowed to ask two questions quickly. The first one relates to the financial support we are giving to small-scale and artisanal miners. In his statement, the hon. Minister indicated that those who have business plans to do with mining can apply for loans from the Citizens Economic Empowerment Commission (CEEC). In the proposed law, which is currently under debate before this august House, there is a suggestion to set up a fund. Are we going to create a fund that will be managed by the Ministry of Mines and Minerals Development or will it be assigned to the CEEC, since the commission is legally mandated to handle empowerment funds?

Madam Speaker, that is my first question. If you allow me, I can also ask my second question.

Madam Speaker: Alright, I will use my discretion and allow you to ask a second question, but for now, let us allow the hon. Minister of Mines and Minerals Development to answer the first question.

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, the matter the hon. Member has raised is currently before this House and we will debate it under the Geological and Minerals Development Bill. Of course, as a ministry, we have received guidance from the Ministry of Finance and National Planning on how to proceed with the Bill. I think, the issue will be clear after technocrats work out the details of where the money for the fund will be placed. The issue was considered and the Ministry of Finance and National Planning guided us. We will give some clarification at the appropriate time when the Bill is discussed in the House.

 I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: Before we forget about the hon. Member for Kamfinsa, I will allow him to ask another question.

Interruptions

Mr Kang’ombe: Thank you very much, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker, the hon. Minister indicated in his statement that there are funds that have been allocated for supporting small-scale miners so that when they get a licence, they do not sell it, but actually carry out mining. Unfortunately, he did not indicate whether that money is for equipment or setting up mining companies. Is the hon. Minister able to clarify on how we have been supporting co-operatives? Clearly, we want them to participate in mining.

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, the hon. Member might have noticed that I mentioned the fact that we procured gold detectors. We also procured washing plants. We are giving all that equipment to artisanal miners. As a ministry, we have discovered that if we give money directly to the miners, they may not use it for the intended purpose. So, we want to help them with equipment. So, we now have gold detectors and gold washing plants at the ministry.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Mr Mushanga (Bwacha): Madam Speaker, the hon. Minister indicated that the Government has supported twenty-eight artisanal and small-scale miners across the country. Which districts are those miners from?

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, if the hon. Member for Bwacha followed my speech, he would have heard that the CEEC supported the twenty-eight artisanal and small-scale miners, not the Ministry of Mines and Minerals Development. Maybe, the details or the report could be extracted from the CEEC.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: Hon. Member for Chama South, please, get ready. You will ask a question after the hon. Member for Matero.

Mr Sampa (Matero): Madam Speaker, arising from what I saw in the press, allow me to commend you for the role you played ...

Mr Nkandu: Question!

Mr Sampa: ... as the chairperson or president of the Forum of Parliaments of the International Conference on the Great Lakes Region (ICGLR) on bringing peace and encouraging dialogue in the war between the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) soldiers and the Banyamulenge or M23 rebels. I put it on record that you are playing a noble role.

Madam Speaker, here is my question to my brother, the hardworking hon. Minister. He mentioned that K12 million for gold detectors was part of the funding for small and medium enterprises (SMEs). Is that facility for gold detectors available to the people of Chunga and Matero, where gold was found? They need detectors to authenticate the gold.

Laughter

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, as a people, we must work with science, technology and many other things. When we hear that our citizens are grappling with something, we must go to them to investigate what is happening using science and technology. Our investigators have told us that they have found iron ore and magnetite in certain areas. That is why when people dig into the ground, their metals are attracted to magnetite. So, there is no need to give people in those areas gold detectors. The ministry has already been there through the Geological Survey Department and found that there is no gold in such places.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: Maybe, there is iron ore.

Mr Mung’andu (Chama South): Madam Speaker, let me first take this opportunity to congratulate the hon. Minister of Mines and Minerals Development and, indeed, the New Dawn Government. Indications are that the life of Konkola Copper Mines (KCM) Plc has been extended for another fifty years because of the investment that has gone into its mines and production is increasing. That, indeed, is the methodical way of doing things, which Zambians are looking forward to.

Madam Speaker, the hon. Minister has just announced that many gold detectors have been bought. Chama is one of the districts where gold mining is happening at a small-scale level. What are the guidelines and procedures for co-operatives to have access to those gold detectors? The people in Chifunda, Kanyelele and Chief Chibale’s and Chief Mulilo’s areas in Chama North and anywhere else in the district where gold is being mined should be able to access those devices. How long does it take for the gold detectors to be available to people?

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, I thank Hon. Mung’andu for the question and appreciate his words of encouragement.

Madam Speaker, yes, indeed, we have procured gold detectors and some washing plants. The challenge is that the equipment is quite pricey. Let me tag onto the question that was asked by the hon. Member for Kantanshi and say that we are encouraging the private sector to come on board because the Government may not be able to procure the equipment for all the artisanal and small-scale miners alone. We have tried to encourage the private sector to help us procure equipment with the model we are using so that people as far as Chama, Vubwi, Lusangazi and all the areas where the presence of gold has been reported in the Eastern Province and the Northern Province can be helped.

Madam Speaker, Zambia is vast, and as such, we are collaborating very well with the private sector and I know that in the long run, most artisanal miners are going to be helped with this equipment, which we will treat as loans. It will not be free equipment, but it will be modelled under a business where at a particular time, they will be able to pay back in cash or in kind.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: Thank you very much. Since this is the month for women, I will allow the women who have indicated. We will start with the hon. Member for Isoka.

Ms Nakaponda (Isoka): Madam Speaker, why has it taken long for Nkombwa Mine in Isoka Constituency to be given a license for small-scale mining? If this is approved, it will create more employment for our youths in the constituency.

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, the issue of a license for Nkombwa Mine is a matter that has been riddled with many legal battles. That is why this Government has guided that we cannot mine in court. It is a typical example of how mining in court can just destabilise an area and people are just fighting over a tenement without really actualising the mining that should take place there. So, we are working around the clock to ensure that issues around Nkombwa Mine are resolved.

 I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Ms Nyirenda (Lundazi): Madam Speaker, thank you for giving me a chance to ask a supplementary question to the hon. Minister of Mines and Minerals Development. I had requested you to give me a chance when I wanted to raise an issue that was really burning during the Urgent Matters without Notice segment regarding the child who was being raped at the University Teaching Hospital (UTH). It was something that was burning, but I appreciate this opportunity.

Madam Speaker, the hon. Minister has indicated that there are gold detectors that are sitting at his ministry. During the time for budgeting, he had indicated that he was going to conduct an aerial survey throughout the country and that he would be in a position to advise exactly where the minerals could be found. Is he not duplicating   work whereby an aerial survey was conducted and it is now known where the gold is, and the ministry has procured the gold detectors to be used by small-scale miners? What would be his statement about using double expenditure?

Madam Speaker: Hon. Member for Lundazi, according to our Standing Orders, we only take three Urgent Matters without Notice. So, since you were the fourth to indicate, I could not allow you. According to my programme, we are supposed to finish all the questions by break time. So, it does not mean that your matter can only be dealt with through raising an Urgent Matter without Notice. You can explore other means of raising that matter.

Now, we turn to the hon. Minister.

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, carrying out aerial surveys is a holistic approach for the whole country. Right now, they are actually targeted at the Western Province, and there are no reports yet. In fact, we procured a gold detector before the aerial surveys began. So, you can narrow a gold detector to –

You know, artisanal miners are basically a pick and shovel kind of operation, and that is why for them, those are the most handy tools as they are conducting their operations. So, really, the aerial survey is looking at the whole country. For it to reach even areas like Rufunsa, it will take time and it may be the end of this year because now, we are concentrated on Block ‘a’, which is the Western Province. So, it is not a duplication of works because that is targeted at the artisanal mining so that they quickly discover the minerals. In fact, gold detectors are better suited for what we call alluvial gold, which you just pick. It is different from ore because the aerial survey will actually focus so much on the gold that is in ore. However, for the alluvial gold, the gold detectors are the most handy tool to quickly discover that there is gold here.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Mr Jamba (Mwembeshi): Madam Speaker, in many countries where precious metals like gold are being mined, there are many gangsters controlling the system. The hon. Minister has said that people would be selling to the aggregator. What measures has the Government taken to avoid creating gangsters who are going to be getting the gold from other people and selling it to aggregators thereby creating an unsafe haven here in Zambia?

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, as I stated in the statement, the formalisation programme we are working on is multi-sectoral. As we are talking right now, we have a combined security wing dotted around. The team is checking what is going on in the mining of gold. So, really, the issue of security comes into play so that we do not have militias coming up around those areas. Yes, indeed, gold is one of those precious minerals that could cause that, but as the Government, we have been proactive about it and we have members of our security wing dotted around. They are in Mumbwa, Kasempa and Chingola. So, we have made sure that that is not allowed to take root.

 I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Mr Mabumba (Mwense): Madam Speaker, in his statement, the hon. Minister has covered quite a large portion in terms of the support the Government is giving to the artisanal miners in the gold mining sector. At the time the Committee on Economy, Trade, and Labour Matters, which Committee I was a member of, visited Lufwanyama, we saw that there is quite a lot of activity there. One of the issues the artisanal miners have has to do with the financing for the procurement of machinery. Other than supporting our artisanal miners in gold mining, what measures is the ministry taking in terms of supporting our artisanal miners in the Lufwanyama area, especially those who are in emerald mining?

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, it is just that in our answering and formalisation, we are pronouncing so much the issue of gold mining because it is the one that has seemingly been very problematic in the recent past. Suffice it to say that we also have a programme around the Lufwanyama area where there are emeralds and semi-precious stones. So, we are very alive to the existence of emerald, manganese and lithium miners. It is across the board in terms of formalisation. So, we are referring to gold because it has been a little problematic in the recent past, but really our approach is to deal with all the small-scale and artisanal miners.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Mr Siachisumo (Lufwanyama): Madam Speaker, I would like to thank the hon. Minister for that brief and straightforward statement. I would also like to thank the ministry for giving licences to artisanal miners.

Madam Speaker, my question is on companies with large-scale mining exploration licences that are difficult to giving consent to small-scale and artisanal miners to mine? What is the ministry doing to help the miners get licences as well?

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, that has been a problematic matter. It speaks to speculators who hold twenty-five or fifty licences alone. They are basically selfish and do not want our people to access opportunities. I thank God that this Parliament approved the Minerals Regulation Commission Bill, which is an Act of Parliament, through which we are trying to limit the number of licences one person can get to five, and one must justify having those five licences. If somebody is not working with their licences, the ministry will urge that person to either use them or have them grabbed. If one does not use the licences for mining, the Government will not hesitate to get them back and to give them to those who are ready to use them.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Mr Chewe (Lubansenshi): Madam Speaker, I would like to thank the ministry for coming up with that progressive initiative. 

Madam Speaker, in terms of capacity building, how much sensitisation is the ministry undertaking to educate our people, especially the small-scale miners, on the mineral detectors and other support that the Government is providing? Further, can the hon. Minister share with us whether the mineral detectors are free for every small-scale miner who accesses the support?

Mr Kabuswe: Madam Speaker, we are conducting sensitisation. In fact, the ministry has come up with a manual, which should be able to give a guide on how artisanal miners will be engaged by ministry officials. That document is what is being used to engage the miners.

Madam Speaker, the hon. Member also talked about detectors. We did not say that they will be given for free. The ministry is modelling a business around that so that when miners get those detectors, they will know that they have to be recovered by the ministry somehow, as I said, either through paying in cash or in kind.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: We make progress.

I have also permitted the hon. Minister of Finance and National Planning to render a Ministerial Statement.

Dr Musokotwane was not in the Assembly Chamber.

Hon. Opposition Members: Where is he?

The Government is sleeping.

Madam Speaker: Her Honour the Vice-President may render the statement.

The Vice-President walked to the Table.

Dr Musokotwane entered the Assembly Chamber.

Hon. UPND Members: Hear, hear!

The Vice-Present resumed her seat.

Hon. UPND Members: Boma, Boma!

Madam Speaker: Order!

 PERFORMANCE OF THE ECONOMY AS AT 31^st JANUARY, 2025

The Minister of Finance and National Planning (Dr Musokotwane): Madam Speaker, thank you for giving me this opportunity to provide the House and the nation at large, with an update on the performance of the economy in January 2024 and the strides the Government has made in restructuring the country’s debt.

Madam Speaker, 2024 was a challenging year because of the drought that the country experienced. Despite the challenges, the Government has made notable strides towards ensuring that the country remains resilient and sustains the growth that has been achieved in the past couple of years.

Madam Speaker, in 2024, we faced the most severe drought in living memory, which directly affected agricultural production and electricity generation, which in turn seriously affected the growth prospects for the nation. In addition, the poor harvest meant that farmers lost their incomes. Their buying power from payments was lost and this means that businesses that benefit from purchases by farmers were adversely affected. Given the drought situation, the Government revised the 2024 projections downwards for gross domestic product (GDP) growth to 2.3 per cent from 4.8 per cent, which was announced during the 2024 Budget presentation. Over the first three quarters of the year, growth averaged 2.1 per cent per quarter. The economic performance in 2024 suggests that our economy is robust and resilient.

Madam Speaker, our efforts to revive the mining sector and to place the country on a trajectory to achieving 3 million metric tonnes are beginning to pay dividends. In 2024, copper production from both large-scale and small-scale mining operations experienced significant growth exceeding the 2023 annual production by 12 per cent. The total output for 2024 was 820,676 metric tonnes compared with 732,583 metric tonnes in 2023. The performance was mainly driven by several factors that include increased production at existing mines, actualisation of investments and resumption of operations at some mines, and new production capacity. Apart from mining, positive performance in manufacturing, information communication technology (ICT) and tourism was also recorded in 2024.

Madam Speaker, agricultural production was understandably low due to the drought. Notably, maize production during the 2023/2024 Farming Season declined by 54.5 per cent from 3.3 million metric tonnes in 2023 to 1.5 million metric tonnes in 2024. Production of other crops also declined.

Madam Speaker, on fiscal performance, during the period under review, the Treasury collected K152.6 billion in revenue and grants, surpassing the budgetary target of K149.8 billion by 5.6 per cent. Tax revenue amounted to K118.8 billion, exceeding the target of K114.8 billion. Non-tax revenue totalled K31.5 billion, exceeding the target of K26.3 billion by 19.7 per cent. The favourable performance is mainly attributed to a dividend pay-out from the Bank of Zambia (BoZ), exceptional revenue and forfeited funds amounting to K3.2 billion. Grants received from co-operating partners totalled K2.4 billion, falling short of the target of K3.4 billion, which reflects an underperformance of 31.5 per cent.

Madam Speaker, on the expenditure side, the Government spent a total of K197.8 billion, exceeding the target of K177.9 billion by 11.2 per cent. The key expenditures included:

1. personnel emoluments at K53.3 billion;

1. Government operations at K10.9 billion, lower than the target of K17.8 billion;

1. debt service payments, which amounted to K65.4 billion, against a target of K38.9 billion. Of this amount, K46.5 billion went towards domestic debt payments, which included K7.5 billion to cover shortfalls in maturities. Additionally, K18.9 billion was released towards external debt payments;

1. releases for transfers and subsidies, which amounted to K25.3 billion, falling short of the target of K27.8 billion. This underperformance was due to lower releases for the Farmer Input Support Programme (FISP), with the remaining funds scheduled for release in the first quarter of 2025; and

1. the Government released K10.4 billion towards social benefits, surpassing the target of K8.4 billion. This increase was due to higher releases on the Social Cash Transfer (SCT) programme, with over K3 billion provided by co-operating partners for the programme. Following the drought, a total of 2.3 million beneficiary households were supported during the period under review which is very comprehensive, with about 60 per cent of households covered during the period of the drought.

Monetary Sector Developments

Madam Speaker, the average annual inflation rose to almost 15 per cent in 2024 from an average of 10.9 per cent in 2023. The rise in inflation is an effect of the drought experienced in 2024, which pushed up both the food and electricity prices.

Exchange Rate

Madam Speaker, the Kwacha traded at K27.9 per United States (US) Dollar at the close of 2024 from K25.7 at the close of 2023, representing an annual depreciation of 8 per cent. This was mainly attributed to subdued supply amid elevated demand pressures made worse by higher imports of food and energy following the drought.

External Sector Developments

Madam Speaker, as at the end of December 2024, preliminary data –

Interruptions

Madam Speaker: Sorry hon. Minister, could you, please, amplify your voice. The hon. Members are saying that your voice is too low.

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Speaker, as you can hear, my voice is not normal today, but I will try to raise it.

Mr Nkandu: Hear, hear!

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Speaker, as at the end of December 2024, preliminary data indicates that the trade surplus narrowed to US$1.3 billion from US$1.4 billion at the end of 2023. This outturn was explained by a higher increase in imports than exports. The imports increased by 10 per cent to US$10 billion as at the end of December 2024, from US$9.1 billion. Further, exports also increased by 8 per cent to US$11.4 billion as at end of September 2024, from US$10.5 billion. With these developments, the Gross International Reserves (GIR), in other words, foreign currency reserves, as of the end of December 2024, increased to US$4.3 billion, which is equivalent to 4.6 months of import cover from US$4.15 billion at the end of September 2024. This was on account of inflows support from the World Bank and other supporters.

Update on Debt and Debt Restructuring

Madam Speaker, we have had a debt problem in the country and I now want to update the House on where we are on debt restructuring. Allow me to now address the issue of the country's debt.  As at the end of 2024, the Central Government’s domestic debt stock, in other words, borrowing from within Zambia, decreased to K229 billion from K232 billion as at the end of December 2023. With regard to the external debt stock, in other words, borrowing from outside, as at the end of December 2024, it was US$15.4 billion from US$14.6 billion as at the end of December 2023. The increase was on account of continued disbursements to social sector projects largely from multilateral institutions and the various tranches of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) support. Notably, under the IMF support, in June 2024, an additional SDR293 million, which is about US$386 million, was provided to the Government in support of the severe drought that has significantly impacted our country.

Madam Speaker, the publicly guaranteed state-owned enterprise (SOE) external debt as at the end of December 2024, decreased to US$1.37 billion from US$1.41 billion as at the end of December 2023. This was as a result of continuing debt service payments by SOE.

Madam Speaker, we have made efforts to reduce domestic arrears. The stock of audited and verified domestic arrears decreased to K77.5 billion as at the end of September 2024, from K79.8 billion as at the end of June 2024. We remain confident in the downward trend to continue in subsequent years due to our strong commitment to clearing the arrears.

Debt Restructuring

Madam Speaker, Zambia has achieved a major milestone in its debt restructuring efforts. Of the US$13.34 billion that was due for restructuring, a total of 90 per cent has been reached in the Agreement in Principle (AIP) with creditors. An AIP refers to a mutual understanding between parties on the fundamental terms and conditions of a deal, prior to finalising the detailed legal documentation. This significant progress reflects substantial alignment on restructuring terms and demonstrates Zambia’s commitment to resolving its debt challenge. The agreements cover bilateral, Eurobond and commercial creditor categories, with each category achieving critical advancements towards long-term sustainability.

Madam Speaker, in the bilateral category, Zambia secured a restructuring agreement for approximately US$6.3 billion in June 2023, which was formalised through a memorandum of understanding (MoU) in October 2023.

Madam Speaker, the effective use of PPPs has contributed to the Government's drive for economic recovery and growth through sustained investment in national infrastructure projects leveraging on private financing. The New Dawn Government is unlocking private sector participation and investment in the country's infrastructure development agenda due to a constrained fiscal position resulting from the huge debt burden inherited from the previous Administration. To support this important policy, the New Dawn Government has enhanced the legal framework governing the implementation of PPPs through the enactment of the Public-Private Partnership Act No. 18 of 2023. To enhance efficiency and effectiveness, the new legal framework has raised the profile of the office responsible for co-ordinating the implementation of PPP projects. It has also enhanced efficiency in the identification and procurement of projects, reduced red tape and streamlined the composition of oversight structures, such as the PPP Council and PPP Technical Committee.

Madam Speaker, the new legal framework has further provided clear definitions and terminology to guide interested private sector players as they develop project proposals for consideration by the Government. It has also enhanced the ability of public institutions to identify and develop proposals for joint implementation with the private sector. The reforms and other interventions by the New Dawn Government have grown investor confidence in the Zambian economy and contributed to increased interest and the number of unsolicited proposals from the private sector for PPP projects. This interest from both local and foreign private sector players, including financial institutions, is welcome.

Madam Speaker, some of the immediate benefits of PPP projects are that from 2022 to 2024, the New Dawn Government has signed twelve PPP concession agreements. This record achievement is due to the directive given by President Hakainde Hichilema for the Government to effectively leverage private sector capital and participation in national development efforts. The projects are expected to result in an investment of more than US$1.5 billion of private capital in infrastructure projects. Most of the investment will be spent during the construction and operations of projects. Private sector investment will add value to our economy as most of it is by way of foreign direct investment (FDI). Local institutions, such as the National Pension Scheme Authority (NAPSA) and the Workers’ Compensation Fund Control Board (WCFCB), have invested in PPP projects due to the attractive returns expected on their investments.

Madam Speaker, the Government has saved public funds by leveraging on private sector financing for some key infrastructure projects and has avoided contracting further debt. The Government has also kept the construction sector alive and active through PPPs, thereby, supporting economic activity, job creation and contributing to wealth creation through the addition of a national stock of infrastructure assets.

 Madam Speaker, the Government, through PPP projects, is supporting local supply and value chains as contractors source materials from local suppliers, participation of local players through sub-contracting and joint ventures, and creation of both business and job opportunities for our people, including our youth and women.

Madam Speaker, allow me to use this opportunity to update the House and the nation on the status of some of the key PPP projects being implemented by the Government. The Lusaka/Ndola Dual Carriageway Road project remains one of the major PPP projects recorded under the New Dawn Administration. By implementing the project using the PPP route, the Government has saved the people of Zambia in excess of US$ 1.85 billion in what would have been debt and interest plus operational costs had the previous Government succeeded in implementing the project using contractor-facilitated initiatives. Works on the project are progressing as scheduled and expected to be completed by August 2027 in line with the signed concession agreement. The project was signed at a concession value of US$ 649.9 million, which is significantly lower than what the project was procured at by the previous Government, for reference, at US$1.245 billion. The agreement was signed on 28^th February, 2023, between the Government of the Republic of Zambia and Messrs Macro Oceans Investment Consortium Limited. As part of this project, works on the 45 km Luanshya/Fisenge/Masangano Road are complete and the road section will soon be opened to the public. Works on the main Lusaka/Ndola Road are being implemented in phases, and are progressing well and on schedule. So far, 243 km of clearing and grubbing, 187 km of sub-grade, 156 km of selected layer and 182 km of cement-stabilised soil have been achieved. The House may recall that before the works were embarked on, the road was in a terrible state, thereby, significantly increasing travel time for laden trucks from Lusaka to Ndola to be as long as ten hours coupled with an increase in incidences of accidents, some of which were fatal.

Madam Speaker, to effectively connect Zambia to the port of Beira in Mozambique, the Government is working to rehabilitate and upgrade the Katete/Chanida Road to international bituminous standards through a PPP project signed on 9^th October, 2023, with Messrs Lutembwe Consortium Limited. The concession value of the project is US$79.8 million. The project includes the construction of a one-stop border post and supporting infrastructure, such as staff housing and offices. Works have commenced on the project with sub-base construction and stabilisation of the first 5 km section, and crushed stone base construction and asphalt concrete surfacing of 3 km so far achieved. The works are expected to be completed in 2027. This road was also in a very bad state with trucks taking hours to cover the 55 km stretch.

Madam Speaker, to enhance trade with our northern neighbour, the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), the Government signed a concession agreement on 31^st October, 2022, for the upgrading of the Chingola/Kasumbalesa Road at a concession value of US$41.3 million with Messrs Turbo-Kachin Consortium Limited. The project involved expanding the road width from 8.5 m to 11 m to accommodate large trucks, construction of a toll plaza, weighbridge, 4 km dual carriageway towards Kasumbalesa border, concrete paving of the section approaching the border and two truck parks to accommodate traffic. You can see that in four years, it was K4.8 to a dollar to more than K10. The Kwacha had lost more than half of the value in percentage terms.

Madam Speaker, they should just be grateful that this Government has come to clean up where they made – I cannot use certain words because of who I am, but they must be grateful that this Government has come to clean what they left behind. So, I can assure you that with all the investments, this country will be more prosperous than ever before.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Madam Speaker: Hon. Members, please, do not debate whilst seated.

Mr Kapyanga (Mpika): Madam Speaker, the hon. Minister is being too simplistic in his responses, and I am worried.

Hon. UPND Member: Question!

Interruptions

Madam Speaker: Order!

Hon. Member of Parliament for Mpika, let us not evaluate the ministerial statement and the responses. Let us just ask questions to avoid controversy and unnecessary points of order.  May the hon. Member for Mpika ask his question.

Mr Kapyanga: Madam Speaker, I appreciate your guidance.

Madam Speaker, the hon. Minister has referred to what the Patriotic Front (PF) Government did as a mess. Under the same mess, prices of essential commodities, particularly fuel, food, including mealie meal were low. The country's inflation rate was also low. Currently, prices of essential commodities have gone up and the inflation rate is at 16.5 per cent. The United Party for National Development (UPND) won the elections on the platform of fixing it, but it has not fixed it. Why should the Zambian people continue trusting the UPND Government when it has not fixed it?

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Speaker, I thought I was clear in my explanations that we are fixing the economy. Fixing the economy means the mines, the main source of foreign currency, that were closed have been reopened. That is what we call fixing. The miners in Chingola, Mufulira, Kitwe and Chililabombwe who for three or four years had no jobs have jobs now. In Luanshya and Mufumbwe, jobs are around the corner. This is what is called fixing the economy.

Madam Speaker, let me address the issue of fuel prices that the hon. Colleague has mentioned. Yes, the prices for fuel were lower, but it was so because the Government then, was not paying the fuel suppliers.

Hon. UPND Members: Hear, hear!

Dr Musokotwane: As we speak, there is still a bill of more than US$500 million that it did not pay. It collected fuel from the suppliers and never paid for it. The Government pretended to tell the public that fuel is cheap, but there is something that the hon. Colleagues forget about. As our Colleagues were subsidising fuel, they were forgetting that they were leaving the majority of the Zambians behind without subsidies. What I mean is that as the Government was subsidising fuel, millions of children out there were failing to go to school because their parents could not afford.

Hon. UPND Members: Hear, hear!

Dr Musokotwane: However, for the Patriotic Front (PF) Government, it was okay for children to not go to school, universities, and if meal allowances for school children were taken away. This Government has said every child who is capable must go to school. That requires subsidies. For the students whose meal allowances were withdrawn, this Government has taken them back because it is important to build human capital.

Madam Speaker, it is shocking to understand how some people can boast and say that they subsidised fuel when those who were really desperate to be supported by the Government by being taken to school, the school that has made most of us who are in this House to be where we are, were not supported. I do not know about you, hon. Member, but the majority of us here are in this House because of school. However, the previous Government did not care. Instead, it allowed the children to be without education. So, the poor people were being condemned to perpetual poverty, but they were very happy with that and they thought they were developing this country. It is impossible to develop a country without education.

Mr Speaker, I thank you.

Hon. UPND Members: Hear, hear!

 Mr Kapyanga was about to leave the Assembly Chamber.

Madam Speaker: Hon. Member for Mpika, are you going out again?

Laughter

Madam Speaker: No, resume your seat and listen to the answers.

Laughter

Mr Hamwaata (Pemba): Madam Speaker, thank you very much for giving me this opportunity to ask a supplementary question. The hon. Minister’s Government found –

Mr Sampa: On a point of order, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: A point of order is raised.

Mr Sampa: Madam Speaker, thank you for according me this opportunity. I stand in accordance with Standing Order No. 71, which provides that information given in this House must be accurate. The hon. Minister of Finance and National Planning earlier stated that when I was the Deputy Minister of Finance in 2012, that was when the problems started there. That is wrong information because in 2012, the exchange rate was 1US$ to K7. It was a single digit.

Madam Speaker, is the hon. Minister in order to dwell on giving this House wrong information instead of confessing to this House that he is very lucky because he did not implement the Presidential directive that on the election day, the exchange rate should have appreciated by 1400 hours, but that did not happen. Is he in order to mislead this House?

Madam Speaker: The hon. Member for Matero has sufficiently debated his point of order. Can we make progress. The hon. Member for Pemba may continue.

Hon. UPND Members: Hear, hear!

Mr Hamwaata: Madam Speaker, the United Party for National Development (UPND) Government found this economy in the Instinctive Care Unit (ICU).

Laughter

 Mr Hamwaata: The hon. Minister has done a lot of work to restructure the debt. ZESCO Limited had a debt of US$1.2 billion. I am aware that about US$400 million is yet to be paid. Regarding the fuel issue, over US$800 million was owed. I would like the hon. Minister to share with the House how much of the debt this Government found is remaining to be restructured.

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Speaker, maybe, before I touch on the question, let me use this opportunity to respond to the point of order that was raised.

Interruptions

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Speaker, the answer is simple. The hon. Member can go to the Bank of Zambia (BoZ) Website. There is a publication called Fortnightly Statistics. The data is available to check even on his phone. If he cannot find it, I will show him and demonstrate that data is available. Truly speaking, this Government has done many things to reverse the problems that it found, as hon. Member questioned. Even on the issue of the poverty levels, the World Bank report indicates that Zambia is the sixth poorest country in the world.

Interruptions

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Speaker, people are forgetting to look at the fact that the report is for the period 2015 to 2022, which was mostly under the Patriotic Front (PF) Government.

Hon. UPND Members: Hear, hear!

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Speaker, the poverty levels that are being referred to in that report were manufactured by the PF Government. That is why, I am positive that we will see an improvement in the next report when we re-open the mines and bring back to life the industries.

Madam Speaker, as for the debt that has been restructured, I think, in my statement, I said that less than 10 per cent remains to be restructured while more than 90 per cent has already been restructured.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Hon. Government Members: Hear, hear!

Madam Speaker: After the hon. Member for Kantanshi, it will be the hon. Member for Chama South. So, he should get ready, as he has indicated.

Mr Mumba (Kantanshi): Madam Speaker, I would like to thank the hon. Minister for his detailed statement. Indeed, the ministry has done its best under the circumstances.

Madam Speaker, on some of the positive outlooks the hon. Minister read to the House, such as the increase in the Bank of Zambia (BoZ) reserves and debt repayments that the Government has been negotiating, the House will agree with me that the people who vote for us do not understand the statistics at all. They want to see cheaper prices of a bar of soap, sugar and cooking oil, for example. The interesting part is that such products are produced in Zambia. When is the Government going to meet with the companies to come up with a win-win situation? On one hand, the Government is doing its best to manage the fiscal space and on the other hand, we need cheaper products on our store shelves and homes. Is there anything that the Government is thinking of doing?

Mr Kapyanga interjected.

Madam Speaker: Hon. Member for Mpika, you may step out now. You need to go and consult. It is okay. At least, you have listened to a few answers.

Mr Kapyanga left the Assembly Chamber.

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Speaker, the hon. Member for Kantanshi is right. The ultimate judgement for the people is their well-being. There are two parts in responding to the hon. Member’s question. Firstly, we must inculcate a spirit of knowledge and acceptance in our society that living comfortably comes from production and hard work. If we give the impression that living comfortably can just happen miraculously, then, we are not being fair to the people. No Government can make life comfortable unless, the citizens put something on the table. Hard work, hard work, hard work.  That is where the Government's actions become relevant. When a mine is closed down, an individual has no income. So, an opportunity is made to re-open the mine so that the person who could not afford to buy bread, vegetables and so forth, can improve his or her lifestyle because now that person is earning something. Opportunities such as re-opening mines and various manufacturing activities that are taking place –

Madam Speaker, the hon. Member should take a drive one day on Mungwi Road, known as the Breweries Road in Lusaka and he will see the big complex that is emerging in the areas along that road. A new satellite town is developing around a fertiliser plant. We have said it in this House before that Zambia used to import fertiliser, and now it is exporting. Those are the opportunities that I mean when I talk about giving people the ability to work. Mulungushi Textiles Limited in Kabwe, and many others, is another example. The first thing is to provide opportunities for people to earn money, then, they will improve their living standards rather than pretending to make their lives comfortable when there is nothing they are producing. That is not a real thing anywhere in the world.

Madam Speaker, secondly, we have to accept that getting everybody to work will take time. Okay? We are doing everything possible to attract investment and to get people to work, but it takes time. In the meantime, what happens to those who are out of work? How do they live? That is the point at which we must look at the social programmes that this Government has put in place, because it is also putting money in people's pockets to help them live. For example, we have the Social Cash Transfer (SCT) programme, which is for the vulnerable, old people, the differently abled and young people while the Cash-for-Work programme has been used to hire many people to undertake useful work in their communities. People are earning money because of that programme.  So, while the Government is taking time to create jobs, those are the stopgap measures that have been put in place so that people have livelihoods.

Madam Speaker, loans, grants and business opportunities that are being given out through the Constituency Development Fund (CDF) are all improving people’s livelihoods. If one travels to places like Kalabo, Kasempa and so forth, one will see the amount of business that the small business operators at the markets are handling, which one has not seen before. This is because when a constituency receives so much money for CDF projects, all of a sudden, people selling roofing sheets, cement and other building materials will have customers. People who were not working will start working, and others will start making desks. All those are opportunities that have been given to the people, especially in rural areas, to enable them to earn money. You know what? These opportunities were not there before this Government came into power. How much money was going to Liuwa? K1.6 million for Kalabo Central, and K1.6 million for Liuwa, making the total K3.2 million. Today, between the two constituencies, Liuwa and Kalabo Central, we are getting more than K70 million. This is what is being spent on the people in Kalabo. That is the same in Kasempa, Katete and Chipata. It is the same in the whole country. This is the way the Government should work to enable its citizens do something and get a livelihood, instead of throwing away money. You remember the Dollars and the Kwacha that people were putting on fire to show who could burn a bigger amount of money. That was happening because those people did not work for that money.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Hon. UPND Members: Hear, hear!

Madam Speaker: Is the hon. Member for Chama South in the House? If he is not here, then the hon. Member for Solwezi East can ask a question.

Mr Katakwe (Solwezi East): Madam Speaker, the hon. Minister talked about debt restructuring. I would like to know if the Government has plans and strategies to negotiate further with our creditors for debt cancellation, riding on the fact that debt cancellation has happened before, during the time of the late President Mwanawasa, when our able hon. Minister of Finance and National Planning was in charge of the same ministry. Riding also on the fact that His Excellency, Mr Hakainde Hichilema, has demonstrated the fight against corruption, which was the basis for debt cancellation, even now, it is possible that we can have debt cancellation. Does the ministry have the strategy and plans to negotiate for debt cancellation, not just debt restructuring?

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Speaker, indeed, when the process started, there were efforts to go in the direction of debt cancellation. However, that can only happen with the co-operation of the creditors, which was not possible in this instance. However, we have since learned that the Catholic Church, which was very instrumental around 2005 in campaigning for debt relief that was granted to us under the Heavily Indebted Poor Countries (HIPC) Initiative, is making efforts to revive the discussions. We welcome that, and we wish it well. We are ready to provide all the support that it may need to make this a reality. Beyond that, we can only wait and see what happens.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Munsanje (Mbabala): Madam Speaker, I want to thank the hon. Minister for an excellent statement that has shown the progress being made in the growth of our national economy.

Madam Speaker, we are glad that we are making many positives in growing our economy, away from the slumber times of the negative 2 per cent failure during the previous Patriotic Front (PF) regime, when we were in the negatives, and now we are in the positives. We are experiencing this, even in our constituencies, where the Government has managed to help us build 50 to 100 million economies, based on what we are getting from the Constituency Development Fund (CDF), the Cash-for-Work programme, the Social Cash Transfer (SCT) programme, and many other empowerment programmes being implemented. These programmes are adding a lot of value and enabling us to make those transactions, which help everybody grow.

Madam Speaker, given these positives and growth, in line with growing the social sector –Today, we are celebrating World Social Work Day, in line with improving the welfare of Zambian citizens. Is the hon. Minister considering increasing the number of beneficiaries under the Farmer Input Support Programme (FISP) so that we can be able to empower more small-scale farmers in villages like Simaubi, Mpinda, Mangunza, Mapanza and Macha in Mbabala Constituency? We need to grow more food, as we know, the revolution of this New Dawn Government is everywhere, and we need to ensure that we eradicate hunger forever by having more small-scale farmers.

Madam Speaker: Hon. Member for Mbabala, is it debate time or are you asking a question?

Mr Munsanje: Madam Speaker, I am praising the excellent work done by the hon. Minister of Finance and National Planning.

Hon. UPND Members: Hear, hear!

Mr Munsanje: This is the best we have as a country.

Madam Speaker: Order, hon. Member! If you want to do that –

Mr Munsanje: So, I just ask a question.

Madam Speaker: Order, hon. Member!

Mr Munsanje: Yes, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: Order!

Mr Munsanje: Okay, Madam Speaker.

Hon. Members: Resume your seat.

Mr Munsanje: No, I thought you were standing, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: Order!

Hon. Member, if you want to praise what the Government is doing, you can move a Motion. For now, please, ask your question. If you have already asked, may the hon. Minister of Finance and National Planning answer.

Laughter

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Speaker, I thank the hon. Member for that question. I think, this is a topic for discussion. The Budget Session will be later this year. As hon. Members of Parliament, we can express our views and, ultimately, we will find answers. However, I want to thank the hon. Member for his encouragement. Indeed, when we add up the amount of money that goes into the CDF, the Cash-for-Work programme, and the SCT programme, I would say that the economies in the rural areas have improved and people have seen the best part of their lives since Independence.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Madam Speaker:  Due to the manner in which hon. Members were asking questions, only six hon. Members asked questions and the list is still long. More hon. Members wanted to ask questions but, unfortunately, when the answers were being rendered, some hon. Members who were very anxious to listen were not in the House. I do not know where they are listening from. So, during the Vice-President's Question Time, we do not want to hear a repeat of issues such as the cost of living because that would be repetitive.

Unfortunately, we have to go to the debate on the Motion of Thanks. As you know, I had indicated that today is the last day of the debate so I wanted to have more time after break for hon. Members to debate. So, right now, we are behind time. We still have four questions, but since they are constituency-based, we will move very fast on this segment.

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QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

ESTABLISHMENT OF A COMMERCIAL WATER UTILITY COMPANY IN

 MUCHINGA PROVINCE

259. Ms Nakaponda (Isoka) asked the Minister of Water Development and Sanitation:

1. whether the Government has any plans to establish a commercial water utility company in Muchinga Province for purposes of enhancing service delivery;

1. if so, when the plans will be implemented;

1. what the timeframe for the completion of the project is; and

1. if there are no such plans, why.

The Minister of Water Development and Sanitation (Eng. Nzovu): Madam Speaker, at present, the Government does not have plans to establish a separate commercial water utility for Muchinga Province. The House may wish to note that Muchinga Province is serviced by the Chambeshi Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited, which was created in 2003 as a joint venture of twelve local authorities from both the Northern Province and Muchinga Province. The Government is prioritising measures to enhance the efficiency of the company by implementing a recovery programme under the supervision of the National Water and Sanitation Council (NWASCO), which is aimed at strengthening financial viability, improving operations and addressing service gaps within the existing commercial utility (CU) structures.

Madam Speaker, in response to part (b) of the question, as indicated above, the Government does not have plans to establish a separate commercial water utility company for Muchinga Province.

Madam Speaker, since the Government does not have plans to establish a separate commercial water utility company for Muchinga Province, there is no defined timeframe. However, for the comfort of the hon. Member of Parliament, ongoing infrastructure investments under the African Development Bank (AfDB)-supported Integrated Small Towns Water Supply and Sanitation Programme are expected to enhance service delivery. Additionally, the Government is exploring decentralised institutional arrangements within the Chambeshi Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited to ensure that districts in Muchinga Province have a greater degree of operational autonomy, thereby improving efficiency without compromising financial sustainability.

Madam Speaker, in response to the last part of the question, I have several reasons to advance to the hon. Member of Parliament, and they are very important because we have been receiving many questions on the subject. I will answer comprehensively, but very quickly. The decision not to establish a separate commercial utility for Muchinga Province at this time is based on a comprehensive financial and economic assessment, which identified several challenges. This is not the case only for the utility in Muchinga Province, but for many other utilities in other provinces because of the following:

Revenue Loss and Financial Instability

A de-merger would lead to a 3 per cent reduction in revenue for the Chambeshi Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited and a 34 per cent reduction in its customer base, significantly affecting financial sustainability.

Increased Dependence on Government Subsidies

A new CU would have an operational cost coverage of 38 per cent, making it heavily reliant on Government grants and subsidies to sustain operations.

Reduced Efficiency and Service Delivery

The new CU would start with a small customer base, limiting its ability to achieve economies of scale necessary for sustainable operations.

Challenges in Attracting Qualified Personnel

Limited revenue generation would make it difficult for the CU to offer competitive conditions of service, thereby affect its ability to attract and retain skilled personnel.

Lessons from Luapula Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited

Experience from the formation of the Luapula Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited in 2009 indicates that rural CUs require a substantial income base to sustain operations. To date, the Luapula Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited still struggles to meet its obligations, including salaries and statutory expenses.

Madam Speaker, given the above-mentioned challenges, the Government believes that a more viable approach is to strengthen the Chambeshi Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited, while ensuring that districts in Muchinga Province receive targeted support to improve service delivery. Decentralised operational arrangements within the company could provide a sustainable alternative without compromising financial stability. The Government remains committed to enhancing water supply and sanitation services in Muchinga Province and will continue to engage stakeholders to explore the most effective solutions to address service delivery challenges. This is not only for the Chambeshi Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited, but other utilities.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Ms Nakaponda: Madam Speaker, Muchinga Province wants the establishment of a commercial water utility company in the province because decision making at the Chambeshi Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited is a challenge since its headquarters is in the Northern Province. So, each time we have a problem, the company takes time to respond.

Mr Nkandu: Quality!

Ms Nakaponda: Madam Speaker, there are always delays in responding to the major problems faced by the people of Muchinga Province, particularly the people of Isoka Constituency. People stay for five months without receiving water. The hon. Minister said that there is no plan to establish a water utility company in Muchinga Province. Why can he not make a short-term plan to help the people of Muchinga Province, and Isoka Constituency in particular?

Hon. UPND Members: Hear, hear!

Mr Samakayi: Hear, hear!

Eng. Nzovu: Madam Speaker, let me thank the hon. Member of Parliament for that quality question. I think, the hon. Member is spot on. Maybe, for her comfort, let me remind her that the Chambeshi Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited is owned by the local authority in the two provinces. So, she is part of the ownership. That is point number one.

Madam Speaker, point number two is that I understand the operational deficiencies as a result of the headquarters of the CU being in the Northern Province. However, in my response to the question, I clearly stated that we are going to support decentralisation. That means the Chambeshi Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited will have a complete office in Muchinga Province, and we are going to support that office.

Madam Speaker, point number three is that the CU in Muchinga Province is now being supported to improve not only the intake capacity, but also the treatment and distribution capacity. So, more and more customers will be connected in Muchinga Province. Further, the hon. Member must be comforted because soon, and very soon, she will see operational efficiency increasing because we are going to support the Chambeshi Water Supply and Sanitation Company more and more. I think, one of the issues that the commercial utility brought to us is the issue of transport. We will support it so that the response time to customer problems is also improved.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Chanda (Kanchibiya): Madam Speaker, one headman from Kanchibiya is watching the hon. Minister right now. Interestingly, he has sent a question. He has asked why can the Government not plan to empower local authorities with the necessary resources and capacity to enhance water supply infrastructure in rural areas? I think, the background to the question is that areas like Kanchibiya are not serviced. So, when the hon. Minister speaks about the Chambeshi Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited, we cannot relate. What is the Government’s plan for areas like Kanchibiya, which are not serviced?

Eng. Nzovu: Madam Speaker, indeed, the hon. Member watching us from Kanchibiya is spot on. The local authorities who are shareholders in all water utilities also have plans to put in capital investments to improve the water infrastructure in all our commercial utilities. How we are going to empower them? Obviously, this will be through the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development which we are currently in talks with so that it can also invest a bit more money in the water utilities.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Kampyongo (Shiwang’andu): Madam Speaker, first of all, I would like the hon. Minister to clear his record because the ownership of water utility companies is no longer what it used to be. They are longer owned by the local authorities, as it were. I can competently speak to that because I was Minister of Local Government when that arrangement was in place. So, creation of the ministry was to make sure that the utility companies and the water sector stand independently.

Madam Speaker, we understand the challenges when it comes to establishing a stand-alone utility company in Muchinga, and the Government has assured us that it is looking at the structural decentralisation of Chambeshi Water Supply and Sanitation Company Limited. There have been many investments in the water sector. If we go to Chinsali, which is now the provincial headquarters, there is a fully-fledged water plant which is not optimally utilised for the people in the area to benefit from. Isoka has a bit of investment, and so does Nakonde. The established districts being Kanchibiya, Lavushimanda and Shiwang’andu are the ones that are yet to have fully-fledged water utility systems.

Madam Speaker, I would like to find out from the hon. Minister how soon we should expect the decentralised technical support because that is what is key. These facilities I am sharing with him are struggling because they do not even have alternative power sources. With this drought and load shedding going on, the challenges have even escalated. We need technical support that will be able to respond like the hon. Member for Isoka has said. We would like to know how soon that will be done because our people are facing serious challenges, especially with social amenities and hospitals and health centres that require constant supply of water. The motivation for the hon. Member to ask this question has been the motivation for all of us who are from that province. How soon can we have technical support that will be based in the province to respond to the various challenges that I have briefly shared with you?

Eng. Nzovu: Madam Speaker, let me thank the hon. Member of Parliament for that question. I would like to remind him that the creation of a ministry does not automatically result in change of shareholding. As far as I know, the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development and the local authorities are still shareholders.

Interruptions

Eng. Nzovu: Madam Speaker, I am the Minister of Water Development and Sanitation.

Hon. Government Members:  Hear, hear!

 Eng. Nzovu: So, I am giving a policy statement. I am the one who has the books.

Hon. Government Members:  Hear, hear!

Eng. Nzovu: So, you may be listening to me as I give out the policy statement with full force, the one in Government.

Hon. Government Members: Hear, hear!

Eng. Nzovu: Madam Speaker, let me come to the substantive question. I want to state clearly that this is a very important question. I want to look at it objectively. I want to state clearly is that the United Party for National Development Government (UPND) Government has taken a decision to support the water sector in a very big way, ...

Mr Mulunda: Robust way!

 Eng. Nzovu: ... in a very robust way. To this end, many projects which were stagnant or abandoned those days are now being worked on. Let me state without fear of any contradictions that we are doing a lot. In Nakonde, there is a water project there. It is the first of its kind. Where you come from, there is a water project. (pointed at Mr Simumba) In Chilubi, – I do not know if the hon. Member for Chilubi is here–we have a project right now. It is the first of its kind.

Madam Speaker: Order!

Eng. Nzovu: We have projects in all rural towns.  We are going to Kanchibiya, Shiwang’andu and all the areas which were abandoned those days.

Hon. Government Members: Yes!

Eng. Nzovu: This UPND Government will ensure that it supplies quality water to the places which were long neglected.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Hon. Government Members: Hear, hear!

Madam Speaker: Thank you very much. Hon. Members, let us make progress. The last indication was from the hon. Member for Isoka. That will be the last question.

Ms Nakaponda (Isoka): Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question has been asked by the hon. Member of Parliament for Shiwang’andu.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

 Hon. Members: Hear, hear!

Madam Speaker: Very good. However, the lesson that I have learnt from this session is that members of the public who are listening can ask questions through their hon. Members of Parliament, like the case that we saw with Kanchibiya. So, this is how we are bringing Parliament closer to the people. Please, encourage your members to ask questions through you, since you have phones.

RESUMPTION OF THE IMPORTATION OF ELECTRICITY FROM MALAWI TO CHAMA AND LUNDAZI DISTRICTS

260. Mr Mtayachalo (Chama North) asked the Minister of Energy:

1. whether the Government has any plans to resume the importation of electricity from Malawi to supply power to Chama and Lundazi Districts;

1. if so, when the plans will be implemented;

1. if there are no such plans, why; and 

1. whether ZESCO Limited was exporting electricity to Malawi as of November 2024.

The Minister of Energy Chikote (Mr Chikote): Madam Speaker, currently, the Government does not have any plans to resume cross border supply of electricity from Malawi to Chama and Lundazi as the two districts are now connected to the Zambia national grid. Before 2023, Chama and Lundazi districts were part of the Electricity Supply Corporation of Malawi Limited (ESCOM) national grid …

Mr B. Mpundu: Sure?

Mr Chikote: … and were not connected to the Zambian grid. This was therefore, not considered as importation, but cross border power supply through a power supply agreement that was signed between the two utilities.

Madam Speaker, power is deemed to be imported or exported when it is transferred from one national grid to another national grid through an interconnector. Based on the response to part (a) of the question, there are no plans. There are no plans because Chama and Lundazi districts were connected to the Zambia national grid in December 2023.

Hon. Opposition Members: Hear, hear!

Mr Chikote: ZESCO Limited was not exporting electricity to Malawi as at November 2024. However, ZESCO Limited was and is still supplying electricity to the border town of Mchinji through a cross border supply agreement.

Madam Speaker, it should be noted that currently, the Malawian grid does not extend to Mchinji Town.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Mtayachalo: Madam Speaker, I would like to thank the hon. Minister for the response. Indeed, Chama and Lundazi are now connected to the 132-transmission line from Chipata to Chama via Lundazi. Before that, Chama and Lundazi used to get supply from Malawi Electricity Supply Corporation of Malawi (ESCOM). The hon. Minister has said that the Government has no plans to resume the importation of electricity from Malawi. In view of the current challenges that we are having in this country, in terms of power deficits, and considering that power supply has stabilised in Malawi, why can we not import power from Malawi if the power challenges we are having continues because I know that we still ˗

Madam Speaker: Order!

Business was suspended from 1640 hours until 1700 hours.

[MR SECOND DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair]

Mr Mtayachalo: Mr Speaker, before business was suspended, I was asking the hon. Minister of Energy that since the transmission lines from Chama and Lundazi to Malawi still exist, and given the current electricity shortages that the country is experiencing, why can the two towns not fall back on the same cross-border transmission lines connected to the Malawian national grid when the Zambian side has a challenge? In that way, the economic activities in Lundazi and Chama would not be disrupted.

Mr Chikote: Mr Speaker, indeed, the Government is aware of the power deficit the country is facing. That is why it has put a number of interventions in place to ensure that the challenge is addressed. In terms of importing or exporting power, the Government is in the process of putting up infrastructure for an interconnector between Zambia and Malawi, so that as the power situation stabilises, the country will be able to export power and also, in times of challenges, as we are going through currently, import power from Malawi.

Mr Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Kampyongo (Shiwang’andu): Mr Speaker, I want the hon. Minister to be clear. In his initial response to the substantive question, he stated that the Government does not export power to the Republic of Malawi nor does it import from that country because there is no interconnector between the two countries. However, he went on to say that ZESCO Limited supplies power to the border town of Mchinji, which is in Malawi. If that is the agreement, how is the power being supplied to that town? Is it free of charge or are the people of Mchinji paying for it? Further, if power is being supplied to Mchinji, why would the Government not prioritise power supply to a Zambian town, which in this case is Chama District?

Mr Chikote: Mr Speaker, indeed, I said that the Government is not exporting or importing power to and from Malawi. There is an agreement between the power utility companies in the two countries to address the needs of our towns that are along the border. For instance, previously, our national grid could not connect Chama and Lundazi. So, the Malawian national grid supplied power to the two districts until the time that our Government extended the national grid connection to those two districts. The same applies to Mchinji. The town is not connected to the Malawian national grid. Zambia is closer to the town, and that is why ZESCO Limited supplies it with power. In terms of whether Mchinji receives that power for free or not, the people who are serviced by our national grid pay and, of course, at a higher price.

Mr Speaker, I also talked about importation or exportation. One can only describe those two as a national grid connection agreement. The arrangement which is there is for cross-border supply, like in the way we supply power to Kasane. These are agreements that have been put in place by our power utility companies.

Mr Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Mtayachalo: Mr Speaker, the hon. Minister may be aware that, currently, power supply in Malawi is stable. That country used to have a serious power crisis, which has now normalised.  There are existing transmission lines from Lundazi and Chipata to the Malawian national grid. So, if the 132 Kv transmission line which feeds power to the two districts has a challenge on the Zambian national grid, why can the towns not fall back on the Malawian national grid? Why can the Government not consider the Malawian national grid as a fall back since that country has stable power supply?

Mr Chikote: Mr Speaker, I understand the hon. Member’s concern. However, he must understand that, as I mentioned, the Government is in the process of putting infrastructure in place so that in difficult times, as the country is going through at the moment, the Government will be able to import power from Malawi. Currently, we cannot import power from Malawi because the existing infrastructure that was used to supply power to Lundazi and Chama from the Malawian national grid is what was used to connect the two towns to our national grid. Previously, the Government was tapping from the nearest grid, that is, our counterparts the Malawians. Going forward, the Government will build an interconnector. If this country again falls into the same trap, we will be able to import power from countries with sufficient or extra power to supply other neighbours. We are building an interconnector with Tanzania, Angola and Mozambique to ensure that this country does not fall into the same trap. We are putting up infrastructure that will support the importation of power.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Mr Kandafula (Serenje): Mr Speaker, I thank the hon. Minister for his answers. To complement what the other hon. Members talked about, most transmission lines in Zambia are radial circuits. We do not have ring circuits on 330 kV lines, 132 kV lines and the rest. So, in case of a major fault, as it happened previously on the Pensulo Transmission line, people stay for long hours without power. For example, we stayed for almost thirteen to fourteen days without power. I think that is why hon. Members are asking such questions. Why not install the line from Malawi as a redundant circuit so that in case of an emergency, we can fall on it?

Mr Chikote: Mr Speaker, that is why I said that, firstly, we need to look at our transmission lines and improve the capacity of getting such kind of power. I also mentioned that before Lundazi and Chama were connected to the national grid, we used to get power from the Electricity Supply Corporation of Malawi (ESCOM) Limited. ZESCO Limited oversees how we manage and operate the lines. According to the experts, the lines servicing Chama and Lundazi were expensive. You may wish to note that, during the time we were getting power from Malawi, we were also running a generator set on diesel. So, it is quite expensive for a utility to keep the lines the hon. Member is talking about. Hence, this Government is now looking at a broader picture of trade where we need to install a high-voltage interconnector.

I thank you, Mr Speaker.

REHABILITATION OF TOWNSHIP ROADS IN SIAVONGA DISTRICT

261. Mr Mulunda (Siavonga) asked the Minister of Local Government and Rural Development:

1. whether the Government has any plans to rehabilitate township roads in Siavonga District;

1. if so, when the plans will be implemented;

1. what the estimated cost of the project is; and

1. if there are no such plans, why.

The Minister of Local Government and Rural Development (Mr Nkombo): Mr Speaker, the Government has plans to rehabilitate township roads in Siavonga District of the Southern Province.

Mr Speaker, the plans will be implemented as and when funds are made available.

Mr Speaker, the actual estimated cost of the project will be known once a detailed assessment of the roads is done and designs are made.

Mr Speaker, plans are already in place, as indicated in part (a) of the response above and, as such, part (d) of the question falls out.

I thank you, Mr Speaker.

Mr Mulunda: Mr Speaker, I appreciate the response from the Government, through the hon. Minister of Local Government and Rural Development, that our roads will receive a facelift.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: The next question is from the hon. Member for Chitambo. Since he is not in the House, the question lapses.

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MOTION

MOTION OF THANKS

(Debate resumed)

Dr Mwanza (Kaumbwe): Thank you, Mr Speaker, for this opportunity to continue the debate on the President’s Speech rendered to this House on 28^th February, 2025.

Mr Speaker, my debate is on economic development, which is on page 28 of the speech. Economic development and its sustainability are important for our country to prosper. Climate change, drought, and the debt burden that the country has experienced have threatened national food security, caused energy and water crises, biodiversity, deforestation and so on and so forth.

Mr Speaker, in his concluding remarks, the President said politics should unite us for economic prosperity and not divide us. I remember very well that Hon. Kafwaya moved a Motion for us to find a common solution to the economic challenges facing our country, basically, the cost of living. However, hon. Members on your right left this House, collapsing the quorum ...

Interruptions

Dr Mwanza: ... and abandoning an important subject. However, the President came to this House to offer solutions, which were supposed to be offered by hon. Members on your right and left, on the increased cost of living. The solutions are clear, as stipulated in the speech on page 28, such as how the Government is addressing the issue of national food security. We have seen good programmes, such as the Cash-for-Work. Many social welfare programmes are available to members of our community so they can, at least, have some money to put food on their table.

Mr Speaker, here is another point; the Social Cash Transfer (SCT) programme is ongoing and then the enhanced Constituency Development Fund (CDF) is addressing issues such as the water crisis. In the case of Kaumbwe Constituency, for the first time, we have constructed a 32,000 m³ dam using the CDF. The dam will be a good source for feeding our animals and will be used for irrigation schemes, thereby, reducing the cost of living.

Mr Speaker, with the same enhanced CDF, we are giving loans to our people. The loans are supposed to be used as capital for businesses to flourish. Just last week, there was a circular which stated that in 2025, we have already allocated loans to people. However, the money under those loans should not be given to people, but used to purchase equipment like rigs for drilling boreholes. In the midst of hunger and the high cost of living, I wish the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development could look at that policy so that in 2026, we can recall the loan facility under the Constituency Development Fund (CDF) and spend the money on water solutions. Implementing a policy change would inconvenience people enormously and it would be difficult for us to handle the situation.

Mr Speaker, with those few words, I want to support the President’s Speech. Thank you.

Mr Tayengwa (Kabwata): Mr Speaker, I am grateful for the opportunity to add my voice to the debate on the President’s Speech, which was delivered on the Floor of the House. The President came to this House to report the Progress Made on the Application of National Values and Principles. He came to inform us about the values of this nation. Those values can only be understood when we know the belief system. What is the belief system I am talking about? I am talking about our traditions and different cultures.

Mr Speaker, I will touch on one or two things that the President talked about. Firstly, I will talk about education. If you look at the President’s Speech, you will see that he emphasised the utilisation of the Constituency Development Fund (CDF). When he came to this House, he said that any hon. Member of Parliament who does not utilise the CDF is committing economic sabotage. I agree with him because I have seen that there are so many constituencies that have not spent the CDF, and that is detrimental to most children in different schools. Children are supposed to sit on desks provided through the CDF. Further, classroom space should be provided for school children using the CDF.

Mr Speaker, the President also touched on the issue of recruitment of health workers. We are coming from a background where there were no teachers in most schools. However, this Government, within the shortest period, was able to employ over 30,000 teachers. That is a plus for any well-meaning President or leader. I can tell you that the recruitment of teachers has impacted our society. Look at the learning environment for children. They are now receiving the best ever quality of education that we can talk about.

Mr Speaker, the President also talked about the abuse of cyberspace. We have seen how the young generation aspiring to be leaders is abusing the social media space. I can give so many examples. There are people who have even gone to the extent of anointing young men who are busy insulting elders. What kind of values are we giving young people? What kind of society are we trying to build in our country? Insults will never build any nation or society. Insults will never add any value to the growth of any economy or nation. That is the reason we should try by all means to tame the use of cyberspace. Some people feel that the internet is the best platform to demonise other people. I am glad that the Cyber Security Bill and Cyber Crimes Bill will come to Parliament. We need to come up with laws that will guide people on how to use cyberspace.

 Mr Speaker, I also want to talk about the abuse of drugs and other substances. This is not only applicable to youths, but also to elderly people. I have seen that there are so many elderly people struggling with alcohol and drug abuse. So, the issue of substance abuse cannot only be attributed to the young generation, but also to elderly people. Most of them are still struggling with alcohol and substance abuse because of their background. When you look at their foundation, how they grew up, you will find that they never had mentors in their lives. That is why they are abusing drugs. 

Mr Speaker, look at what is happening to the boy child. Every time we hear people propagating education, they talk about the girl child. They leave out the boy child. Today, you will find the boy child in prison or on the streets of Lusaka asking for alms. Worst of all, you will hear that he has been gunned down on the streets of Lusaka by the anti-robbery squad. So, we need to do a lot on the issue of the boy child. I am one of those propagating the idea that the boy child should be given the best education and all the necessities he needs. Today, if you look at most of the financial institutions we have around, you will see that the top managers or managing directors are women. What about the boy child? Why is it that we have neglected to build the foundation of the boy child?

Mr Speaker, it is for that reason that I am calling upon the hon. Minister of Community Development and Social Services and the hon. Minister of Education to ensure that the boy child is given the best foundation so that boys can start building their lives. We need to balance. We cannot just look at the girl child and leave out the boy child. I can tell you that if we just concentrate on the girl child, in the coming years, when the girl child will want to get married, the men she will find in society will be junkies. Those are the kinds of men who will be available. It will be so difficult for the two to interact and agree to get married. So, it is for this reason that I urge those in authority to ensure that the foundation of the boy child is cemented.

Mr Speaker, with those few words, I want to say that the people of Kabwata support the speech of His Excellency the President.

I thank you, Sir.

Ms Sefulo (Mwandi): Mr Speaker, thank you very much for allowing me to debate the Motion of Thanks on the President’s Speech.

Mr Speaker, let me begin by saying that I want to continue thanking the Government for what it has done in the wake of the drought we had. Where I come from, in Mwandi, in my village, not a single person harvested one cob of maize in the last farming season. The Government was intentional; it made sure that no person died of hunger in 2024. I do not know what would have happened to the people of Mwandi had the Government not introduced the emergency Social Cash Transfer (SCT) Programme and the Cash-for-Work Programme, which helped our province and our constituency. In addition, if people still had to pay school fees, in addition to the hunger situation we had, more than 2 million children would have gone back to the streets. I believe that no single parent in my constituency would have been able to pay for school fees as well as feed the family. I am also very grateful for the School Feeding Programme in rural constituencies. The programme has helped to make sure that children remain in school.

Mr Speaker, let me now talk about online bullying. This is a very serious issue in our country today. It is saddening to see that we, as youths – I am saying I am a youth because I am just above the standard of youths in Parliament.  We are advocating for more youths to come to this Parliament because we are many and we are the ones who vote in numbers. However, when I look at what is happening online, I wonder if we are ready to take on the space. You find that we are the ones being used to bully people in Parliament and women. We are the ones who are also exchanging insults. I do not know of any elderly person being used to go online and insult elders. It is us, the youths. At the same time, we, the youths are the ones who are crying for space in so many sectors. So, we need to recognise the fact that for us to occupy positions in the political space, we need to mature first. The reason we still have people holding on to the political offices or other offices out there is because we have seen the same people using the youths to insult the elderly.

The other day, I was saying that during our school days, we had people sitting in groups one, two, three, four and five, but you would find that even the ones that were in group five also had phones. The people that were in group one would run to the ones that were in group five to go and insult because they did not even understand the law. Since there is online bullying, we are still struggling to have more women representation in Parliament and other jobs. So, we need to make sure that issues to do with the cyberspace are addressed. 

Mr Speaker, I also want to talk about the Constituency Development Fund (CDF). CDF is a game changer, especially in our rural constituencies. I want to indicate that in my constituency, in Mwandi Ward for example, we have the first Government school since 1964. This is when Mwandi, as a town, is having the first Government school. So, we are saying that the CDF is a game changer.

Madam Speaker, I also want to continue advocating for the establishment of a CDF department within the council. Why do I say so? The council workers are so overwhelmed. In as much as we have the CDF that is working so well, it is important for us to have a department that will be dedicated to only CDF projects because the money that we have in constituencies is a lot. Otherwise, the CDF in our rural constituencies is a game changer and makes sure that women do not have to walk for 20 km to access maternity facilities. Further, because of the CDF, the girl child does not have to walk for 20 km to access a school.

Mr Speaker, I also want to speak about alcohol abuse, which is also related to online bullying. Usually, you will realise that the people who go online and bully others those who have been fed with alcohol. Usually, youths are being used by us, politicians. When our children are in school studying, we go to other people’s children, give them alcohol and make sure they can occupy the space and insult people. We are the ones who are deliberately doing this to make sure that we tarnish the image of people’s children. So, in future, those who want youths to insult on behalf of other people should use their children.

Laughter

Ms Sefulo: We want to see their children going to the online platforms and insult than them going to the vulnerable youths, who are not educated and do not understand the law. We target them and we see politicians standing behind the youths encouraging them to continue doing that.

 

Mr Nkandu: Calling them national heroes!

Ms Sefulo: We want to see your children. If you are standing behind a youth who is insulting, bring your child there so that your child can be the one insulting.

Mr Nkandu: Hear, hear!

Ms Sefulo: That is what we want to see. We are not encouraging insults. What we are trying to say is that we, politicians should not use other people’s children to insult and …

Laughter

Ms Sefulo: … confer them with a certain status that is unbefitting. That is very sad

Mr Nkandu: Hear, hear!

Ms Sefulo: Mr Speaker, I also want to speak to the issue of unity. You know, this country can only be built by us. What we admire in other countries, we can also build here, as long as there is unity. This is the unity that the President has continued to preach.

Mr Speaker, I attended Women’s Day Celebrations in Mwandi. The unity that I saw was impressive. I can only implore the President and his hardworking Government to continue uniting us, as Zambians. Remember that this is the only country that we have. So, we have to work together to promote the unity that we have seen beyond political affiliation. We should stand together and make sure that we build a country we want to see in future. We are the only people who can build a united Zambia beyond any political affiliation.

Mr Speaker, with those few remarks, I want to commend the President and his Government and encouraging him to continue on this same trajectory because he has done well.

With that said, Mr Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Nkandu: Quality!

Hon. UPND Members: Hear, hear!

Mr Simumba (Nakonde): Mr Speaker, to start with, I have with me four speeches that the President of this Republic has delivered to this House. To start with, there is no progress that I have seen, beginning with the speeches themselves.

Mr Samakayi: Question!

Mr Simumba: Mr Speaker, when I look at the speech for 2022, I see that it is the same as the speech for 2023. It is also just like the speech for 2024, and the one for 2025. So, I will use any of these speeches because the information is the same.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Order, hon. Member!

May you resume your seat. The business under discussion is the President’s Speech for 2025. So, the 2023 or 2024 speeches are out of context. If you refer to any other speech, I will curtail your debate. So, ensure that you concentrate on the 2025 Speech.

Hon. Opposition Members interjected.

Mr Simumba: Mr Speaker, …

Mr Kapyanga: Abantu balechula!

Mr Simumba: … Zambians signed a contract with the United Party for National Development (UPND) Administration because they thought the UPND would do better.

Mr Speaker, on page 28 of the very –

Laughter

Mr Simumba: Mr Speaker, I was expecting His Excellency the President to come and give us solutions because whilst in the Opposition, our colleagues in the UPND had all the solutions. So, I was wondering why the President talked about how the drought was threatening our national food, energy and water security. This is the very President who told us that in Dubai, there is no load shedding even when there is a drought. He further stated that when a leader uses climate change as an excuse, it means that that leaser is a failure.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Order, hon. Member!

That was not in the 2025 President’s Speech.

Mr Simumba: I am quoting. It is here (pointed at his paper).

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Ah!

It is not part of the 2025 President’s Address.

Mr Simumba: It is on page 28.

Mr Kapyanga: On page 28, Sir. Allow him to quote from other sources as well.

Interruptions

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Hold on.

Interruptions

Mr Simumba: I need to explain.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Hold on (Perused through the speech)

Mr Simumba: Yes, page 28, climate change.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Wait, wait.

Mr Simumba: Climate change.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: I am saying hold on. Let me check.

Hon. Opposition Members: Ah!

Interruptions

Mr Kapyanga: Let him just debate all the speeches. They are from the same President.

Interruptions

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Let me check. Which paragraph is it?

Mr Simumba: Sustainable development …

Hon. Opposition Members: Ah!

Mr Simumba: Paragraph 2; climate change. You can read, Mr Speaker.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Wait. There is nothing like that in paragraph 2. Hon. Member, I told you to be serious. For trying to mislead the House, take your –

Mr Simumba: Mr Speaker, I am on climate change –

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Resume your seat, hon. Member.

 Next. Hon. Member for Sinazongwe, you may proceed.

Mr Simumba: No. I am very serious.

Mr Speaker: Resume your seat, hon. Member.

Mr Simumba: I am very serious.

Interruptions

Mr Simumba: Yes!

Mr Speaker: Resume your seat, hon. Member.

Mr Mumba: No!

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: I will not allow –

Which no?

Mr Kapyanga: No!

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: I will just end up Naming the two of you.

Mr Kapyanga interjected.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Okay.

Interruptions

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Order!

 Hon. Member for Mpika and hon. Member for Nakonde, I have found your behaviour grossly disorderly, and sending you out of today’s Sitting is not sufficient punishment. I, therefore, in accordance with Standing Order No. 221, Name you.

Business was suspended from 1742 hours until 1751 hours.

[MR SECOND DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair]

Question that Mr Simumba and Mr Kapyanga be suspended from the service of the House for a period of seven Sitting days put and the House voted.

Hon. Opposition Members called for a division.

Mr Nkombo: On a point of guidance, Mr Speaker.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Hon. Minister, in our Standing Orders, there is no point of guidance.

Mr Nkombo: On a point of order, Mr Speaker.

Laughter

Question that Mr Simumba and Mr Kapyanga be suspended from the service of the House for a period of seven sitting days, put and the House voted.

Ayes – (59)

Mr Amutike

Mr Anakoka

Dr Andeleki

Mr E. Banda

Mr Chaatila

Mr J. Chibuye

Mr Chikote

Mr Chinkuli

Mrs Chinyama

Mr Haimbe, SC.

Mr Hamwaata

Mr Hlazo

Mr Kamboni

Mr Kapala

Mr Kapema

Mr Kasanda

Ms Kasune

Mr Katakwe

Mr Kolala

Mr Lihefu

Mr Lubozha

Mr Lumayi

Mr Mabenga

Mrs Masebo

Ms Mazoka

Mr Mbangweta

Mr Mbao

Mr Miyutu

Mr Mtolo

Mr Mubanga

Mr Mubika

Mr Mulaliki

Mr Charles Mulenga

Mr Mulunda

Mr Mulusa

Mr Mulyata

Mr Munsanje

Mr Musokotwane

Mr N. Musonda

Mr Musumali

Mr Mutinta

Mr Mwiimbu, SC.

Mrs Nalumango

Mr Nanjuwa

Mr Ngowani

Mr Nkandu

Mr Nkulukusa

Ms Sabao

Ms Sefulo

Mr Siachisumo

Mr Sialubalo

Mr Simbao

Mr Simunji

Mr Simushi

Mr Simutowe

Mr Simuzingili

Brig. Gen. Sitwala

Ms Tambatamba

Mr Tayengwa

Noes – (18)

Mr S. Banda

Ms Chisenga

Mr Chonde

Mr Fube

Mr Kabaso

Mr Kapyanga

Mr Kasandwe

Mr Mtayachalo

Mr Mukosa

Mr Mundubile

Mr E. Musonda

Dr Mwanza

Mr Mwila

Ms Nyirenda

Mr P. Phiri

Mr Simumba

Mr M. Tembo

Mr Munir Zulu

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Question accordingly agreed to.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Mr Simumba and Mr Kapyanga, in accordance with the decision of the House, you have been suspended from the service of the Assembly for a period of seven days. Before I order you to leave the Chamber, I wish to inform you that in accordance with Section 28(3) of the National Assembly (Powers and Privileges) Act, Chapter 12 of the Laws of Zambia, and Standing Order No. 222(2), during the period of your suspension, you shall not:

1. enter the precinct of the National Assembly. This extends to the National Assembly Members Motel;

1. participate in any business or activity of the Assembly or activity of a Committee of the Assembly in your capacity as an hon. Member of Parliament; and 

1. be paid a salary or allowance that you are entitled to as an hon. Member.

I now order you, Mr Simumba and Mr Kapyanga, to leave the Chamber through the main entrance.

Interruptions

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: I urge hon. Members to be orderly in the House to ensure that you do not find yourself in a similar situation.

Interruptions

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Hon. Members, as you leave the House, ensure that you do not disrupt the Business of the House.

Mr Simumba and Mr Kapyanga left the Assembly Chamber.

Interruptions

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Order!

Let us proceed with business.

Mr Nkombo: On a point of order, Sir.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: The hon. Member who was on the Floor has gone. According to the list, the hon. Member for Chama North is next in line.

Mr Mtayachalo (Chama North): Thank you, Mr Speaker, for allowing me to say a few words on the President’s Speech. I think, I will quickly go to pages 14 and 17.

Mr Nkombo: On a point of order, Mr Speaker.

Mr Mtayachalo: Sir, I will quickly go to pages 14 and 17.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Order!

Sorry for interrupting you, hon. Member. There is a point of order by the hon. Minister of Local Government and Rural Development.

Mr Nkombo: Mr Speaker, I also wish to apologise to the hon. Member for Chama North for insisting on this point of order which is pursuant to the same Standing Order of naming a member as you just did.

Mr Speaker, I have been here for a long time. For the very first time, I have had a brand-new experience of what had just happened due to the gross misconduct of two of our colleagues.

Mr Speaker, my point of order is that the rule of natural justice dictates that you cannot be a judge in your case. As we went through this vote, I observed that Hon. Kapyanga and Hon. Simumba voted in a matter that they are involved., I want to be guided. Are we procedurally right, or could I request that we expunge those two votes from the record because when you are being judged, you cannot take part in the process of judging yourself? The two colleagues voted. I find that to be anomalous, but also probably because it is the first time I have seen such gross misconduct ever since I became a Member of Parliament in 2006.

I stand to be guided, Mr Speaker.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Thank you, hon. Minister. I reserve my ruling to enable me to study the matter and come back with a ruling at a later date. Let us proceed.

Mr Mtayachalo: Mr Speaker, I was saying that my focus will be on pages 14 and 17 of the Speech, where the President spoke about zero tolerance to political violence. The President mentioned that of late, we have witnessed generally peaceful by-elections.

Mr Speaker, it is important that we state the truth about what is happening on the ground. What the President said is the total opposite of what is obtaining on the ground. If we continue on the same trajectory, it will be like what happened in the past where we saw cases of political violence and leaders decided to turn a blind eye to the violence. At the end of the day, violence became the order of the day.

Mr Speaker, political violence must not be tolerated or allowed to show its ugly face, whether it is coming from the Patriotic Front (PF), the United Party for National Development (UPND) or the Socialist Party (SP). We must condemn it in the strongest possible terms. We are not in the Stone Age. We are not in the era of Zinjathropus Nutcracker, where we must be fighting one another when there are by-elections. I am a living testimony myself. I was in Kawambwa and in Petauke Central.

Mr Speaker, we were attacked in the presence of traditional leaders at Mutambata Village.

Mr Amutike: Question!

Mr Mubika: Why were you beaten?

Mr Mtayachalo: My vehicle was smashed.

Hon. UPND Members: Question!

Mr Mtayachalo: The vehicle for the aspiring candidate for Petauke Central Constituency was smashed. As if that was not enough, as we were taking our colleague, who had been badly beaten, to the hospital, the same people followed us and just near Petauke Boarding Secondary School and blocked our vehicle and we almost rammed into an on-coming truck. We would not have been alive today. I was in the same vehicle with the hon. Member of Parliament for Petauke Central.

Mr Speaker, we cannot allow this kind of dispensation of selective justice. Dockets for known political cadres were opened at Petauke Central Police, but to this day, the cadres are walking freely and no arrests have been made.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Hon. Member, may you resume your seat.

Mr Mtayachalo remained standing.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: May you take your seat, hon. Member.

Mr Mtayachalo resumed his seat.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: You know, when you are speaking, the whole nation is listening. Ensure that whatever you refer to in your debate should have been laid on the Table much earlier, in accordance with the Standing Orders. So, you are referring to things that are neither here nor there, ...

Mr Munsanje: It is hearsay!

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: … things that are best known to yourself and that cannot be the position of the House. You know that whatever we refer should be substantiated. So, avoid alarming the nation. Refer to something that is well documented and something that has been rendered as part of your debate. Ensure that you restrict your debate to the President’s Speech. I am sure you have been privileged to have had access to the copy of the speech. You can continue, bearing in mind my guidance.

Mr Mtayachalo: I am well guided, Mr Speaker. Even police reports are there, but I am well guided.

Mr Speaker, I am saying that justice in this country should not be applied selectively. Today, Hon. Chilangwa is in prison over allegations of causing malicious damage to property.

Interruptions

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Order, hon. Member!

 I do not know, but Hon. Chilangwa was convicted by a very competent court. So, what are you trying to dispute? Let us avoid misunderstandings.

Mr Mtayachalo: I am not disputing.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: No! You are referring to a case that was concluded and handled by a very competent court.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: How does that form the basis of your debate? I have told you to restrict yourself to the President’s Address because I do not want to keep guiding you. You can proceed.

Mr Mtayachalo: Well guided, Mr Speaker. I think, in conclusion …

Interruptions

Mr Mtayachalo: … I want to state that the UPND will not be in power forever. We had the United Nations Independence Party (UNIP) which was the strongest political party in this country. We used to say, “kumulu lesa, panshi Kaunda”, meaning that in heaven, there is God, on earth, it is Kaunda. UNIP, mulilo, waikatako wapya, meaning UNIP is fire and whoever touches it will be burnt. So, what I am saying is that time will come when the political hooligans are also going to face justice because there is no way one can cause malicious damage to property and not be arrested while other people are languishing in prison.

So, with those few remarks, I cannot proceed with this debate.

I thank you, Sir.

Mr Sialubalo (Sinazongwe): Mr Speaker, I thank you for the opportunity to contribute to the debate on the President’s Speech.

Mr Speaker, the period under review was the harshest, not only for the people of Sinazongwe, but the entire nation. 2024 was the harshest year in that we had a terrible drought. However, we need to thank the New Dawn Administration because looking at what happened in 2024, where no one in Sinazongwe harvested anything, the Government managed to feed its people through a lot of intervention measures. As I am speaking, we still have maize in our selling points. This was a good initiative by the New Dawn Administration. It never went to sleep despite the debt that we find ourselves in, as a country. The Government was on top of things to make sure that what was required for the people to survive was delivered.

Mr Speaker, we say this Government is working and it is looking at the plight of its people.

Mr Amutike: Hear, hear!

Mr Sialubalo: Mr Speaker, we know that the period under review was the harshest in terms of the economy. If you go to Sinazongwe and ask an ordinary person what is happening, he/she will tell you that things are difficult because they never harvested any crops because there was no rainfall. The people of Sinazongwe do not believe in handouts. They believe in hard work. If you go there this time around, they will say this time around, they are going to harvest because God has given us rainfall. We know when things are better and when they are bad. They were just busy punching us and locking us up in prisons every now and then. They had no care for anybody and could not even bring unity to this country. You cannot develop when you are not united. This country is more united now than before. I want the President to continue with his leadership beyond the two terms. He has shown us the leadership that Zambia needs.

Madam Speaker, the amendment of the Constitution means well to us. We cannot wait to attend to the gaps in the Constitution in the years to come. The time is now. There are clauses we can research on, but some need immediate action. It is to our advantage, but some leaders are coming up with guesswork. How can one be a leader, yet mislead the nation? One has not even seen the document, but one continues to give misleading statements to the people. What sort of a leader is that? Who can trust such a leader?

Hon. Government Members: No one!

Mr Muchima: Let us be focused, have facts, and deliver what we want to the people of Zambia.

Hon. Government Members: Hear, hear!

Mr Muchima: Let us take Zambia to where it is supposed to be, with a proper leader, Mr Hakainde Hichilema.

Hon. Government Members: Hear, hear!

Mr Muchima: I am promising him 110 per cent support from Ikeleng’i: there is no opposition. The other day, the remaining group from the Patriotic Front (PF) joined the United Party for National Development (UPND).

Hon. Government Member: 120 per cent!

Mr Muchima: So, we shall excel there.

Madam, I thank you very much for being so nice.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Hon. Government Members: Hear, hear!

Mr Chikote: Nyakaseya!

Mr Nkandu: Ema Nyakaseya aba!

Interruptions

Madam First Deputy Speaker: Order!

The Minister of Youth, Sport and Arts (Mr Nkandu): Thank you very much, Madam Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to debate.

Madam Speaker, it is, indeed, my honour and privilege to contribute to the debate on the address delivered on 28^th February, 2025, by Mr Hakainde Hichilema, the President of the Republic of Zambia, who is also the Commander-in-Chief of the Defense Forces, …

Hon. Opposition Members: All of them!

Laughter

Mr Nkandu: … on the Progress made on the Application of National Values and Principles in the country as enshrined in the Constitution.

Madam Speaker, it was, indeed, an inspirational and all-inclusive speech, which reminds us all of our responsibilities to our nation in upholding morality and ethics, patriotism and national unity, democracy and constitutionalism, human dignity, equity, social justice and nondiscrimination, good governance and integrity, and sustainable development.

Madam Speaker, in our language we say, uwakupata, takakweba ati busuma bobe.

Madam First Deputy Speaker: Meaning?

Mr Nkandu: Madam Speaker, whoever hates you will never see anything good in you. So, some people will not see anything good in the important and inspirational speech, but we forgive them.

Madam Speaker, in line with the President’s Speech delivered to this august House, my ministry has made strides in the application of the national values and principles. As we are all aware, my ministry is charged with the responsibility of developing, co-ordinating, implementing, and monitoring policies on youth, sport and arts development in our country.

Madam Speaker, under morality and ethics, the President highlighted that drug, alcohol and substance abuse is one area of concern among young people. In an effort to combat these bad vices, my ministry, in liaison with various stakeholders, has strengthened sensitisation on the dangers of drug, alcohol and substance abuse. To this effect, the ministry in 2024 alone sensitised 11,712 athletes and 258 coaches on the dangers of drug, alcohol and substance abuse, including doping.

Mr Speaker, the other issue I would like to talk about concerns codeine. How is codeine entering our country?

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Order!

The hon. Member’s time expired.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Order, hon. Member!

Your time is up.

Ms Kasanda: You can give me one more minute, Mr Speaker. I will be done in one minute.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: No, you will speak next year when the President comes to address the House again.

Interruptions

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: May you resume your seat, hon. Member.

Mr Lumayi (Chavuma): Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity. I am here to support the President’s Speech on the Progress Made in the Application of National Values and Principles, delivered to this House on Friday, 28^th February, 2025. I support the speech, with all its content from page 1 to page 34.

Mr Speaker, on page 17, His Excellency told the House the following:

“Let us use politics to drive development and build bridges. To reach out to each other, to compete in ideas, rather than promote hate and division.”

Mr Speaker, to promote values, we, as leaders, must be truthful to what comes out of our hearts. Before, we were being told that in certain parts of the country, tarred roads, electricity and water were all over. I was shocked –I do not know how the founding fathers of the Patriotic Front (PF) party, wherever they are, feel. This House was told that there is no development where the founding father of the PF comes from, an example being Nabwalya. People were being cheated in this Republic of Zambia that people were bringing development.

Mr Speaker, I did not know that you had reduced the time for debate.

Mr Speaker, I want to assure the President that this House supports his speech 100 per cent.

Hon. Government Members: Hear, hear!

Mr Lumayi: Mr Speaker, I will quickly give an example. With the increased Constituency Development Fund (CDF), we have taken massive development to Chavuma, which has never been seen before. I want to assure the political enemies who feel that they can compete with the hon. Member of Parliament standing here that they are wasting their time.

Hon. Government Members: Hear, hear!

Mr Lumayi: I am ready to face and sort them out.

Mr Speaker, His Excellency the President –

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: You are now campaigning to the wrong voters.

Laughter

Mr Lumayi: Mr Speaker, His Excellency the President, told this House, and I agree with him, that his Administration has brought real democracy. Today, citizens are free to criticise the Government and no one attacks them. They are free to insult the President and our Administration. We are listening to them because we respect democracy, but democracy must not be taken for granted because we, seated on the right, are the Government. We are in charge of the Republic of Zambia.

Mr Speaker, because you have reduced the time to debate from seven to four minutes, allow me to thank you for the opportunity and submit that I 100 per cent support the speech delivered by His Excellency, before this House on the Progress Made in the Application of National Values and Principles.

I thank you, Mr Speaker.

Hon. Government Members: Hear, hear!

Mr Siachisumo (Lufwanyama): Mr Speaker, from the outset, I support the speech of the President, which was delivered to this House. The President mentioned many things, among them, patriotism and unity. People from different places are now united. We can mingle as one.

Mr Speaker, on page 19, the President talked about the delimitation of constituencies, which we, from Lufwanyama support 100 per cent. Lufwanyama is a big constituency. It starts from Kumbo up to the boundary with Mushindamo. So, we support that intention so that national resources can be shared equally, as the President mentioned. The people of Lufwanyama are waiting for that exercise.

Mr Speaker, at the same time, the President talked about patriotism, which requires people to sacrifice. A number of people sacrifice a lot by working hard.

Mr Speaker, I also want to talk about the Constituency Development Fund (CDF). The CDF is a game changer. No one can say that the CDF is a hoax at the moment. I want to thank the Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development for releasing the CDF at the same time. Every constituency that qualifies to be given the money receives it. There is no segregation where the CDF is concerned. Many projects have been done in Lufwanyama using the CDF. Clinics have been built, maternity wings have been extended, electricity has been provided and boreholes have been sunk. When one is inside a clinic in Lufwanyama, one will not know that one is in the rural part of the constituency until one goes outside the clinic.

Mr Speaker, classrooms have been built and desks have been made using the CDF. Children no longer sit on the floor. We have enough desks in Government and community schools where children used to sit on blocks and logs. I want to thank our President, Mr Hakainde Hichilema, for increasing the CDF from K1.6 million to K36.1 million in 2025.

Mr Mabeta: Hammer, hon. Member!

Mr Siachisumo: Mr Speaker, the United Party for National Development (UPND) Government does not segregate, development is taken to every part of Zambia.

Mr Mabeta: Even to Binwell Mpundu!

Mr Siachisumo: Everyone in Zambia should support this Government because it does not segregate.

Mr Speaker, I want to thank our President, Mr Hakainde Hichilema, for coming to this House and sharing the Progress Made in the Application of National Values and Principles, and asking us to be one. There should be no segregation among us.

Mr Speaker, I know I have only six seconds. Lastly, I urge all hon. Members to support the delimitation exercise.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Order!

The hon. Member’s time expired.

Mr Second Deputy Speaker: Order!

Hon. Member, your time is up.

Mr Siachisumo: I thank you, Mr Speaker.

Hon. Government Members: Hear, hear!

The Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Co-operation (Mr Haimbe, SC.): Thank you, Mr Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to the debate on the Address on National Values and Principles delivered on 28^th February, 2025, by His Excellency the President, Mr Hakainde Hichilema, on the Floor of this august House.

Mr Speaker, as we gather today, I would like to specifically highlight the President’s sentiments on the importance of patriotism, national pride and the representation of our country in various spheres, not least to the international community.

Mr Speaker, the President’s emphasis on emulating the spirit of our sportsmen and women, who proudly wear the national jersey and fly the Zambian flag high on the global stage, is, indeed, commendable. The “Zambia ku chalo” slogan, meaning ‘Zambia to the world’, is a battle cry that embodies our nation’s unwavering determination and unrelenting ambition.

Mr Speaker, as the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Co-operation, we are particularly heartened and grateful to note the President’s reference to our improved ranking on the Transparency International Corruption Perception Index. This achievement is a testament to our collective efforts to promote transparency and accountability in governance, and a shining example of our commitment to upholding the highest standards of integrity and ethics in our international relations.

Mr Speaker, I would also like to acknowledge the President’s concern about the growing incidences of cybercrimes and cyberbullying, particularly against women and girls. As we navigate the complexities of the digital age, it is imperative that we prioritise the safety and security of our citizens online. Our efforts to strengthen legislation on cybersecurity and cybercrimes will undoubtedly contribute to a safer online environment, not only for Zambians, but very importantly from our perspective, also for our international partners.

Mr Speaker, the commendations will continue. Allow me, in this regard, to commend the President on the emphasis he placed on the promotion of our national symbols. I wish to highlight the remarkable impact of our efforts as the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Co-operation to promote our National Values and Principles among Zambians in the Diaspora. Our missions abroad have been tirelessly sensitising Zambians in the Diaspora on the importance of national symbols, such as the national flag, the national anthem, and the coat of arms. This initiative has yielded remarkable results, as many Zambians in the Diaspora have expressed pride in being Zambian, and have maintained their culture and identity with unwavering dedication. Zambia ku chalo. Indeed, I repeat; ‘Zambia to the world’. We have seen numerous examples of Zambians abroad proudly displaying the national flag, singing the national anthem with passion and explaining the significance of our of national symbols to their children and friends. This sense of national pride has not only promoted a sense of belonging among Zambians abroad, but has also served as a catalyst for cultural exchange and understanding between Zambians and citizens of other nations. I can attest that the 60^th anniversary celebrations that took place in many of our missions were part of our showing the world out there that Zambia is, indeed, unique and worthy of celebration. The President’s Address to this august House underscored that national pride; Zambia ku chalo.

Mr Speaker, in the realm of foreign relations, we recognise the critical importance of promoting Zambia’s National Values and Principles on the global stage. Under the leadership of our able President, Mr Hakainde Hichilema, Zambia has intensified its diplomatic engagements, ensuring that our foreign policy aligns with economic interests, fostering trade and investment opportunities and advocating for global partnerships that support growth, climate resilience and economic transformation. His engagements with world leaders, institutions and investors have opened doors for enhanced co-operation, positioning Zambia as a credible and strategic partner in global affairs.

Madam Speaker, we, therefore, have a duty to emulate the President’s commitment to diplomacy by strengthening Zambia’s presence in regional and international engagements. We will continue to foster partnerships that drive sustainable development, promote national interests and uphold peace, security and co-operation. We will continue to engage with the international community, fostering partnerships that advance our nation’s interests and promote peace, security and co-operation. We will remain committed to upholding the highest standards of patriotism, national pride and integrity in our international relations, as we have been guided by the President in his address to this House. We are the only Zambians who exist, and we can only push the interests of our country through national pride. Let us remember that.

Mr Speaker, in conclusion, I would like to reiterate that as Zambia forges ahead in a dynamic global landscape, we will leverage diplomacy to enhance trade, attract investment and secure a better future for all Zambians. It is partly through diplomatic engagements that we will ensure the realisation of Zambia’s Vision 2063 and the aspirations of our people.

Mr Speaker, we, without question and without doubt, support the Motion on the Floor. Zambia ku chalo.

I thank you, Mr Speaker.

ADJOURNMENT

The Vice-President (Mrs Nalumango): Mr Speaker, I beg to move that the House do now adjourn.

Question put and agreed to.

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The House adjourned at 1847 hours until 1430 hours on Wednesday, 19^th March, 2025.

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WRITTEN REPLY TO QUESTION

REHABILITATION OF CHITAMBO MISSION HOSPITAL

262. Mr Mutale (Chitambo) asked the Minister of Health:

1. whether the Government has any plans to rehabilitate Chitambo Mission Hospital, especially the theatre, which is in a deplorable state;

1. if so, when the plans will be implemented; and

1. if there are no such plans, why.

The Minister of Health (Mr Muchima): Mr Speaker, the Government is aware that Chitambo District Hospital, formerly Chitambo Mission Hospital, is an old facility and, therefore, requires rehabilitation in general. In this regard, the Government has plans to rehabilitate Chitambo District Hospital. The House may wish to note that the rehabilitation works will not be limited to the theatre, but to other parts of the hospital infrastructure, including:

1. staff housing;

1. the infrastructure housing the oxygen generating plant;

1. water and sanitation reticulation system; and

1. establishment of a new laboratory.

Mr Speaker, rehabilitation and extension works will be implemented using a phased approach in partnership with the local authority.

So far, infrastructure housing the oxygen plant has been completed and is in use. The new laboratory is under construction and is at roof level. Further, the local authority has approved K470,000.00 under the Constituency Development Fund (CDF) to rehabilitate the sanitation and water reticulation system for the hospital which will commence within the second quarter. The Government, through the Ministry of Health, is engaging the Treasury to source funds for rehabilitation of the theatre.

Mr Speaker, implementation of rehabilitation works at the hospital have commenced. The Government is committed to rehabilitating the theatre as part of the overall works efforts are underway to make funds available.

Mr Speaker, the Government has plans, therefore, part (c) of the question falls off.

Mr Speaker, I thank you.