Thursday, 28^th November, 2024

The House met at 1430 hours

[MADAM SPEAKER in the Chair]

NATIONAL ANTHEM

PRAYER

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Madam Speaker: Hon. Members, clearly this is not acceptable. We are starting our business five minutes, almost six minutes, after the appropriate time because of the lack of a quorum. I do not know how many times the Presiding Officers are going to repeat appealing or urging the hon. Members to be on time so that we start business on time. Please, can we be disciplined.

ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MADAM SPEAKER

Hon. Members, I have two announcements to make.

PRESENCE IN THE PUBLIC GALLERY OF PUPILS AND TEACHERS FROM MUNALI BOYS SECONDARY SCHOOL

Hon. Members, in the first announcement, I wish to recognise the presence in the public gallery of pupils and teachers from Munali Boys Secondary School in Lusaka District

Hon. Members: Hear, hear!

Madam Speaker: It appears they are not here. Well, if they come and join us later, on behalf of the National Assembly of Zambia I warmly welcome them into our midst.

I thank you.

Interruptions

Madam Speaker: Order, hon. Members.

CONSIDERATION OF INDIVIDUAL HEADS OF EXPENDITURE

Hon. Members, the next announcement is on the consideration of individual heads of expenditure. As you are aware, consideration of individual heads of expenditure –

I think that I have the wrong announcements today.

Sorry hon. Members, I was given the wrong papers.

PRESENCE OF VISITORS FROM AUSTRALIA IN THE PUBLIC GALLERY

Hon. Members, in the second announcement, I wish to recognise the presence in the public gallery of three visitors from Australia.

Hon. Members: Hear, hear!

On behalf of the National Assembly of Zambia, I warmly welcome them into our midst.

Thank you.

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URGENT MATTERS WITHOUT NOTICE

MR TWASA, HON MEMBER FOR KASENENGWA, ON MR MWIIMBU, HON. MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS AND INTERNAL SECURITY, ON HON. J. E. BANDA.

Mr Twasa (Kasenengwa): Madam Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to raise an Urgent Matter Without Notice and it goes to the hon. Minister of Home Affairs and Internal Security. Last week, the Minister of Home Affairs and Internal Security was on television (TV) and was on the floor of this House updating the nation that the Zimbabwean Police had captured Hon. Emmanuel J. E. Banda. The day after –

Madam Speaker: Order!

Hon. Members, the issue of Hon. J. E. Banda, –

Mr Twasa was still standing

Madam Speaker: Hon. Member can you resume your seat.

Hon. Members, the issue of Hon. J. E. Banda, Member for Petauke Central, has been discussed before this honourable House and a decision was made. So, we are not going to repeat ourselves over the same matter. Can we talk about other issues. Our Standing Orders do not allow tedious repetitions.

Hon. Member for Kasenengwa, unless you have any other Urgent Matter Without Notice, we make progress.

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QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

CONSTRUCTION OF NALOLO BOARDING SECONDARY SCHOOL

138. Mr Wamunyima (Nalolo) asked the Minister of Education:

(a)     when the construction of Nalolo Boarding Secondary School in Nalolo Parliamentary Constituency will be completed;

(b)     whether the Government has any plans to partially open the school, which has been at 80% completion for the past 3 years;

(c)     if so, when the plans will be implemented;

(d)     if there are no such plans, why; and

(e)     what measures are being taken to safeguard the infrastructure from vandalism.

The Minister of Education (Mr Syakalima): Madam Speaker, I wish to inform the House that the construction of Nalolo Boarding Secondary School in Nalolo Parliamentary Constituency is projected to be completed within fifteen months from the date of site handover, which is scheduled for December 2024. This timeline accounts for the remaining twenty per cent of the construction works.

Madam Speaker, the Government has no plans to partially open Nalolo Boarding Secondary School as funds have been mobilised to complete the remaining construction works within the stipulated fifteen months.

Madam Speaker, as indicated in part (b) of the question, the Government plans to open the school once all construction works have been completed.

Madam Speaker, being a boarding school, the Government is prioritising the completion of all necessary facilities to ensure the school is as operational as intended. The required resources have been secured and the contract to resume construction works is currently being finalised.

Madam Speaker, to safeguard the infrastructure from vandalism, the Government has implemented several measures, including assigning a caretaker to the site, conducting regular patrols, and monitoring and exploring collaboration with local communities to enhance security. The measures aim to ensure the protection of the school facilities throughout the construction period.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Wamunyima: Madam Speaker, thank you very much and hon. Minister thank you for your response. I just want to know why twenty per cent will take fifteen months to complete given the desperate situation that the district does not have a boarding school and that it is the only school that the people have been waiting for.

Mr Syakalima: Madam Speaker, this is why I said that it is projected to be completed within fifteen months. It could even be less than fifteen months.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Kang’ombe (Kamfinsa): Madam Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to ask the hon. Minister of Education a supplementary question on behalf of the people of Nalolo.

Madam Speaker, I wanted to know from the hon. Minister, considering the amount of work that is remaining, whether he is able to indicate if there is any provision that has been made in the 2025 National Budget to be able to meet the expenses associated with the remaining works or if there is any other funding that he has identified.

Mr Syakalima: Madam Speaker, the hon. Member was not listening (pointing at the hon. Member for Kamfinsa).

Madam Speaker, I said that if the contract begins by December. It means that we are using the money from the 2024 Budget. So, even if there will be some money in 2025, it will be used elsewhere, not Nalolo Boarding Secondary School.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Wamunyima: Madam Speaker, I know that there are many stalled projects that his ministry has inherited, but is it possible for his technical team to go on the ground to assess the stalled projects? I know the provincial administration, through the Permanent Secretary of Western Province, has been there to go and assess what – I do not think that the contractor who was there did a hand over to assess the current status. I believe that it is possible to do a partial opening particularly for the infrastructure that is almost hundred per cent.

Mr Syakalima: Madam Speaker, I had indicated that this is a boarding facility so, it requires fully-fledged boarding facilities. In any case, everything has been done apart from external works. We need our children to be in a place which the hon. Member can be proud to say that it is the only boarding secondary school and was completed when he was a Member of Parliament and that everybody is doing very fine in that boarding secondary school.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

EMPOWERMENT OF FARMERS IN SERENJE WITH LIVESTOCK

139. Mr E. Banda (Muchinga) asked the Minister of Fisheries and Livestock:

(a)     whether the Government has any plans to empower farmers in Serenje District with the following livestock:

1. cattle;
2. sheep; and
3. goats;

(b)     if so, when the plans will be implemented;

(c)     how many animals, each listed at (a), will be availed for the exercise; and

(d)      if there are no such plans, why.

The Minister of Fisheries and Livestock (Mr Kapala): Madam Speaker, the House and, indeed, the hon. Member for Muchinga Constituency, may wish to note that the stocking and restocking programme is a nationwide programme, and that means Serenje District is in line to benefit. The hon. Member is well aware on that my ministry has allocated to his Constituency, which is Serenje District, 104 goats, 4 males and 100 females, this year. Cattle and Sheep were not included in the 2024 stocking and restocking plan for Serenje District, but may be considered in the subsequent years.

Madam Speaker, as stated in response to part (a) of the question, this is an ongoing programme meant to cover the entire country. In the proposed 2025 Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure for my Ministry, Vote 86 – Ministry of Fisheries and Livestock, which is under consideration in the business for today, K11,500,000 has been allocated under the Sub-Programme on Livestock Production and Productivity Improvement for the procurement of different livestock packages for stocking and restocking.

Madam Speaker, let me take advantage of this question to inform the House that my Ministry is in the process of developing guidelines for the implementation of the stocking and restocking programme. Among the things the guidelines will streamline are:

(a)    appraising of communities that express interest in benefitting from the programme. This will also inform my Ministry on the type of livestock to place in a given community;

(b)     screening of target beneficiary groups to ensure they have the capacity to manage the livestock type chosen. This will guarantee transparency and fairness in the implementation of the stocking and restocking programme ensuring the desired results are achieved; and

(c)     selecting and capacity building for target recipient household to ensure sustainability of subsequent persons and accountability. The number of animals to be given to identified beneficiaries will vary according to species in question and the resource envelope. For instance, in the case of cattle, we will be promoting a one livestock unit per household while for goats, it will be four females and one male goat per household. This will also be a case for sheep if there are included in future packages. For chicken, it will be nine hens and one cockerel per household.

Madam Speaker, the answer to part (b) of the question, as stated in my responses to parts (a) and (b) of the question above, is that the Government will continue to stock and restock various livestock countrywide. This exercise will depend on the outlined criteria as well as the resource envelope.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr E. Banda: Madam Speaker, I am very happy that, today, I am receiving answers from the hon. Minister who is also one of the many hon. Ministers who are so welcoming when one visits them.

Madam Speaker, the people of Serenje have heard about the stocking and restocking of animals for some time. Not only with this Government, but also with the previous ones. However, they have not received anything so far. Why is it that the Government is taking long to consider Serenje, which is blessed with a lot of land and water, and the area is disease free? Why is it taking long for the Government to consider stocking animals in Serenje so that the people in the area can also become livestock farmers?

Mr Kapala: Madam Speaker, I already indicated that the issue of restocking and stocking of animals in Serenje depends on the availability of funds.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr Kang’ombe: Madam Speaker, the hon. Minister of Livestock and Fisheries in responding to the questions that were raised did highlight the fact that the programme of stocking and restocking of livestock is nationwide. I want to know the criteria for determining who benefits from the activity considering it will be taxpayers’ money that will be given out for the people in Serenje as well as other parts of Zambia to benefit.

Madam Speaker:  Hon. Members, that was a constituency specific question. We should not open it widely as we have other work to do as indicated on the Order Paper. So, we restrict it to Serenje District as requested by the hon. Member for Muchinga.

Mr J. Chibuye (Roan): Madam Speaker, thank you for giving me the opportunity to ask a supplementary question. The hon. Minister has indicated that Serenje is earmarked to receive 100 female goats and four males. I want to know the criteria that will be used to allocate the animals to the entire district. How is his ministry going to identify the beneficiaries?

Mr Kapala: Madam Speaker, the beneficiaries are usually the co-operatives. The district administration is involved in the selection process as well as the area Member of Parliament. If you sit and speak to Hon. E. Banda, he will be able to guide you appropriately how it is done.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Mr E. Banda: Madam Speaker, I just want the hon. Minister to give the people of Muchinga a clear road map as to when the 104 goats will be delivered this year so that they prepare themselves. We are already in November and remaining with just one month to go before the year ends. Maybe, the hon. Minister can tell them that it will be done before the month end of December or within.

Mr Kapala: Madam Speaker, it is my considered view that since the restocking and stocking was part of 2024 Budget allocation, it should be done before the end of this year.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

PLANS TO CONDUCT A LIFESTYLE AUDIT ON ZAMBIA POLICE SERVICE TRAFFIC OFFICERS

140. Mr Allen Banda (Chimwemwe) asked the Minister of Home Affairs and Internal Security:

(a)     whether the Government has any plans to conduct a lifestyle audit on the Zambia Police Service Traffic Officers to ascertain whether their financial status was within their legitimate earnings;

(b)     if so, when the plans will be implemented; and

(c)     if there are no such plans, why.

The Minister of Home Affairs and Internal Security (Mr Mwiimbu, SC.): Madam Speaker, the House may wish to note that the Zambia Police Service (ZPS) officers who work under the Traffic Section of the ZPS are not assigned to work there on a permanent basis. The officers can be deployed to different sections of the ZPS at any given time.

Madam Speaker, currently, the Government does not have an explicit policy to guide lifestyle audits on civil servants, including police officers assigned to work under the Traffic Section. However, it should be appreciated that the Government has put in place measures to promote transparency and accountability in the public sector.

Madam Speaker, the Government has emphasised the importance of transparency and accountability in public service and has since established the Anti-Corruption Commission (ACC), Police Public Complaints Commission and other institutions to prevent and investigate corrupt practices.

Madam Speaker, the plans to conduct lifestyle audits for civil servants will be implemented when the Government deems it necessary and puts in place a policy and legal framework for the same.

Madam Speaker, the Government does not now deem it necessary to conduct lifestyle audit for all government workers who include police officers under the Traffic Section and has not put in place a policy and legal framework for conducting lifestyle audits on civil servants.

Mr Allen Banda: Madam Speaker, I thank the hon. Minister for his answers. Unfortunately, I think that the Ministry of Finance and National Planning needs all the revenue. If one goes to Kitwe, most of the flats that are built there and the buses that we call Noah all belong to officers who operate in the Police Traffic Section. This is something that the Government should be concerned about and ensure that it gets the money back. Is the hon. Minister sure that he will not consider a lifestyle audit specifically for the traffic officers, and not any other civil servant, because we can see that what the traffic officers have do not equate to what they earn?

Mr Mwiimbu, SC.: Madam Speaker, let me assure my hon. Colleague that I am as concerned as he is pertaining to the perception that there is corruption by traffic officers and as a result, the Government is not getting the due resources from traffic offenders. 

Madam Speaker, the Government has put measures in place to ensure that members of the public, who are found wanting remit the requisite fines to the Ministry of Finance and National Planning. You may have noted that it has given instructions to the public that no fines are to be paid through police officers, but through the designated banks. If there are no banks in the area, police officers are supposed to issue out genuine receipts after payment. That way, the Government of the Republic of Zambia can derive the benefits of those fines. It has also ensured that police officers manning roadblocks wear name tags so that members of the public, if they are not given receipts or induced to pay bribe, can report the office to the ACC or any other authority.

Madam Speaker, I would like to encourage members of the public, through this question, to not pay any bribes to traffic officers. If they are found wanting, and the officers demand payment, a receipt or invoice must be given. That way, they can be able to pay at the designated bank or financial institutions.

I thank you, Madam.

Mr Kampyongo (Shiwang'andu): Madam Speaker, before I pose a supplementary question to the hon. Minister, permit me, on behalf of the people of Shiwang’andu, to convey our condolences to the hon. Minister and the police service for the untimely death of Sergeant Mike Mumba. A traffic officer, who lost his life on the line of duty this morning. This is an officer who was part of the very important task of sweeping the motorcade for His Excellency the President.

Hon. PF Member: Naumbi nafwa?

Mr Kampyongo: Madam Speaker, we commiserate with the family of this young officer. We, further, hope that the hon. Minister will put measures in place to protect our men and women in uniform, who are at risk on that line of duty.

Madam Speaker, indeed, we cannot come up with a policy that can only be specifically for the traffic offices. I do not know how that would work. However, I recall that the hon. Minister of Justice indicated to the House, I think, in the first year of the United Party for National Development (UPND) being in office, that one of the priority polices it would deal with was the lifestyle audit for public servants starting with the top most to the bottom. What has happened to that desire of bringing in the lifestyle audit in the public sector?

Mr Mwiimbu, SC.: Madam Speaker, I would like to inform my dear hon. Colleague that the Government is in the process of reviewing the Anti-Corruption Act. Within that process, that is one of the issues that the Government will deal with. It will do extensive consultations with members of the public.

I thank you, Madam.

Mr Chisanga (Lukashya): Madam Speaker, I would like to know what the current status of the integrity committees, which were required by the regulation of the Government, in the Zambia Police Service are?

Mr Mwiimbu, SC.: Madam Speaker, I just want to inform my hon. Colleague and the nation that the integrity committees that have been established by the Government through ACC in all the Government institutions are functional.

I thank you, Madam.

Mr Tayengwa (Kabwata): Madam Speaker, I just wanted to know whether the hon. Minister’s ministry, through the Zambia Police Traffic Section, would set-up a workshop together with the ACC to sensitise most officers. Sometimes some officers do things without actually knowing the dangers of corruption.

Mr Mwiimbu, SC.: Madam Speaker, I would like to state that police officers in the course of training are made to appreciate matters to do with corruption. They are very conversant. No one can claim that they are ignorant of issues on corruption. They are knowledgeable.

I thank you, Madam.

Mr Mapani (Namwala): Madam Speaker, the hon. Minister talked about the issue of genuine receipts. I would like to know how the public would know which receipt is genuine, going by what has happened before.

Mr Mwiimbu, SC.: Madam Speaker, the genuine receipts of the Government have particular features. The Government logo is on them.

I thank you, Madam.

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BILLS

SECOND READING

THE JUDICIARY ADMINISTRATION (Amendment) BILL, 2024

The Minister of Home Affairs and Internal Security (Mr Mwiimbu, SC.) on behalf of (the Minister of Justice (Ms Kasune)): Madam Speaker, the Judiciary Administration (Amendment) Bill, 2024 seeks to amend the Judiciary Administration Act No. 23 of 2016. In order to remove the power conferred on the Judicial Service Commission to make regulations relating to training courses for judges and magistrates.

The Vice-President corrected Mr Mwiimbu, SC.

Mr Mwiimbu, SC.: Madam Speaker, I beg your pardon.

Madam Speaker, I beg to move that the Bill now be read a second time.

Madam Speaker, the Judiciary Administration (Amendment) Bill, 2024 seeks to amend the Judiciary Administration Act No. 23 of 2016. In order to remove the power conferred on the Judicial Service Commission to make regulations relating to training courses for judges and magistrates.  This power is now in the purview of the Judicial Training Institute of Zambia by virtue of the Judicial Training Institute of Zambia Act No. 14 of 2023.

Madam Speaker, the enactment of the Judicial Training Institute of Zambia Act No. 14 of 2023 established the Judicial Training Institute of Zambia, whose functions include providing and developing judicial education and professional training for judges, judicial officers and judicial staff.

Madam Speaker, currently, Section 23 (2)(g), of the Judiciary Administration Act empowers the Commission to make regulations relating to training courses for judges and magistrates. Therefore, it has become necessary to introduce this Bill so as to harmonise the Judiciary Administration Act of 2016 with the recently enacted Judicial Trainings Institute of Zambia Act of 2023. The salient provision of the Bill is to amend Section (23)(2) of the Judiciary Administration Act of 2016, by the deletion of paragraph (g) so as to remove the power of the Judicial Service Commission to make regulations relating to training courses for judges and magistrates.

Madam Speaker, the enactment of the Bill will ensure that the functions of the Judicial Service Commission do not duplicate the functions of the Judicial Training Institute of Zambia, as a training of judges, judicial officers and judicial staff will be vested solely in the Judicial Training Institute. The amendment will further allow for the efficient and effective delivery of legal education and training in the country.

Madam Speaker, this Bill is very progressive. Therefore, I urge the hon. Members of this House to wholeheartedly support it.

Madam Speaker, I beg to move.

The Deputy Chairperson of the Committee on Legal Affairs, Human Rights and Governance (Mr Chinkuli): Madam Speaker, the Committee on Legal Affairs, Human Rights and Governance was tasked to scrutinise the Judiciary Administration (Amendment) Bill No. 16 of 2024, referred to it by the House on 31^st October, 2024.

Madam Speaker, the Bill seeks to amend the Judiciary Administration Act No. 23 of 2016, in order to delete the power conferred on the Judicial Service Commission to make regulations relating to training courses in the Judicial Service.

Madam Speaker, I wish to state, from the outset, that the Bill received immense support from the stakeholders. The Committee on Legal Affairs, Human Rights and Governance also fully supports the Bill.

Madam Speaker, since the establishment of the Judicial Training Institute, through the Judicial Training Institute Act No. 14 of 2023, which provides for the development of Judicial education, and professional training for judges, judicial officers and judicial staff, it has become imperative that the Judiciary Administration Act must be amended by deleting Section 23 (2)(g) to avoid duplication of roles and inconsistencies. It is, therefore, a consequential amendment, so as to align the provisions of the law. In this regard, I urge this honourable House to support the Bill.

Madam Speaker, allow me, at this point in time, to pay tribute to the stakeholders who tendered valuable written and oral submissions to your Committee during its deliberations. I also thank you, Madam Speaker and the Clerk of the National Assembly, for the unwavering technical support and services rendered to the Committee during its meetings.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Hon. Government Members: Hear, hear!

Mr Kampyongo (Shiwang’andu): Madam Speaker, thank you very much for allowing me to make a few comments on the proposed amendments to the Bill, which we have been informed, are consequential amendments.

Madam Speaker, indeed, in agreeing with the proposals, it is important that we support all the programmes that are intended to build capacity in our adjudicators, judges, magistrates and officers of the courts.

Madam Speaker, may I also further suggest to the hon. Minister, that as we build capacity –

Mr Nkombo interjected.

Laughter

Mr Kampyongo: He has run away from that duty of –

Sorry about that, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker, as much as we support the desire to hamonise the two Acts, the overall intention is to build capacity in our judges and magistrates, I would further suggest to the hon. Minister to also look at the aspect of safeguarding the tenure of office for these men and women on the Bench because it is important that they invest their years in this very important duty, which keeps them away from society. It is not befitting to see some of these men and women who have spent their time building capacity in themselves being removed from the Judiciary unceremoniously. I am saying this because, of late, we have seen how easy it has been –

Madam Speaker: Order!

Hon. Member, this is a consequential amendment, as you have indicated. Please, let us stick to the Report, we want to make progress.

Mr Kampyongo: Madam Speaker, what I am doing here is supporting this consequential amendment, but there are implications. It is about having training facilities that will build capacity –

Madam Speaker: Hon. Member for Shiwang’andu, are you challenging my guidance?

Mr Kampyongo: Madam Speaker, I am not challenging you, but just stating the fact that –

Madam Speaker: May the hon. Member resume his seat.

Interruptions

Madam Speaker: Hon. Members, let us concentrate on the matter that is on the Floor of the House. This is an amendment of a particular Act and in this case, the Judiciary Administration (Amendment) Bill, which is amending just one line to transfer the functions of training to the institute that has been created. So, let us concentrate on that. The report is very clear, so, please, can we make progress.

Hon. Member for Shiwang’andu, please, can you wind up your debate.

Mr Kampyongo: Madam Speaker, I appreciate your guidance and I support it, but all I am saying is that this new institution has a very important role to play in making sure that the products that come out of that institution are ready to serve citizens by ensuring that justice is dispensed without fear or favour. The products from these institutions must also be allowed to perform their duties freely, knowing that they are secure, because these speak to each other. With that said, I am proposing to the hon. Minister that we have further amendments to ensure that the tenure of office for the men and women we are planning to capacitate is guaranteed.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: Hon. Member for Shiwang’andu, you have been guided. Please, if you want to move a Motion to amend any particular Act, find an appropriate avenue to explore that possibility. Let us not use an innocent amendment to bring in extraneous issues. It will just delay and protract our work.

Mr Mutale (Chitambo): Madam Speaker, indeed, to capacitate an institution is one of the things that the people of Zambia are yearning to see. It also takes a little longer for people to appreciate such kind of advancements, especially that we must also look at those that are in rural areas; the magistrates and the judicial workers who are at the lower level. How well are we going to guide them, for them to understand this proposal by the hon. Minister, which is a very good proposal?

My word to the Minister is that since it is a proposal, we are going to support it. I am supporting it.

Madam Speaker: Order!

Hon. Member for Chitambo, the purpose of this amendment is to transfer a function from one institution to another. So, the issue that you are talking about on capacitating members in the rural areas is not tying with the issue that is being debated right now. Again, if you have any proposal on anything, please, find another avenue that you can explore to bring that to the attention of the Executive than to draw us in a debate that is outside what we are discussing right now.

With that,  Acting hon. Minister of Justice, wind up debate.

Mr Mwiimbu, SC.: Madam Speaker, I would like to thank my two colleagues, the hon. Member of Parliament for Shiwang’andu and the hon. Member of Parliament for Chitambo, though we are at cross purposes over this issue. I would like to sincerely thank your Committee for the report it has submitted in supporting this amendment.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Question put and agreed to and the Bill read the second time.

Committed to a committee of the Whole House.

Committee on Tuesday, 3^rd December, 2024

THE ZAMBIA INSTITUTE OF QUANTITY SURVEYORS BILL, 2024

 The Minister of Fisheries and Livestock (Mr Kapala) (on behalf of the Minister of Infrastructure Housing and Urban Development (Eng. Milupi)): Madam Speaker I beg to move that the Bill be now read the second time.

Madam Speaker, I thank your Committee on Transport Works and Supply for its work in the Zambia Institute of Quantity Surveyors Bill N.A.B No19 of 2024. The objectives of the Bill are to:

1. establish the Zambia Institute of Quantity Surveyors and provide for its function;
2. provide for the registration of quantity surveying professionals, quantity surveying organistaion and quantity surveying units and regulate their professional conduct;
3. repeal and replace the Quantity Surveyors Act 1995 and’
4. provide for the matters connected with and incidental to the foregoing.

Madam Speaker, the Bill also seeks to broaden the scope of membership to align for wider representation of quantity surveying professionals at various levels, including students. This registration will also strengthen the regulation of the quantity surveying profession and ensure adherence to the highest professional standard expecting of quantity surveyors.

Madam Speaker, the enactment of this Bill into law will significantly contribute to the national development. I am grateful for the support of your Committee and look forward to the favourable consideration of the Bill by the House.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Mr J. Chibuye (Roan): Madam Speaker, I thank you for giving me an opportunity to give the report of the Committee

Madam Speaker, in accordance with its terms of reference as provided for in Standing Order 206 and 207(j) of the National Assembly of Zambia Standing Orders, 2024, your Committee was tasked to consider the Zambia Institute of Quantity Surveyors Bill, N.A.B. No. 19 of 2024 to acquaint itself with the ramifications of the Bill, your Committee sought both written and oral submissions from key stakeholders.

 Madam Speaker, from the outset, let me state that all witnesses who appeared before your Committee were in support of the Bill.

Madam Speaker, in supporting the Bill, stakeholders acknowledged that this piece of legislation, once enacted, will ensure continued growth and regulation of the quantity surveying profession in Zambia. They also stated that the law is of paramount importance because it outlines the framework for enhancing the professional landscape of quantity surveyors, improving public spending efficiency and promoting collaboration within the construction industry.

Madam Speaker, while the Bill has been generally supported by stakeholders, a few concerns on certain provisions of the Bill was raised by stakeholders. Therefore, it is essential that the concerns raised during the consultations are addressed in order to strengthen the Bill and ensure its practical effectiveness. The concerns have been documented in the report.

Madam Speaker, your Committee is also in support of the Bill, and in doing so, it has made some observations and recommendations, which are documented in the report. Let me to highlight some of the observations and recommendations for the benefit of the House.

Your Committee agrees with the stakeholders who observed that the current definition of "quantity surveying" in the Bill is too narrow, limiting the profession solely to the building sector. This is because quantity surveying, as we know, extends far beyond buildings and is a vital part of civil, mechanical, and electrical engineering. Additionally, in jurisdictions such as South Africa, the profession is more widely inclusive of the key engineering disciplines. Therefore, adopting a similar approach will better reflect the multifaceted nature of quantity surveying. In view of the foregoing, your Committee recommends that the definition of quantity surveying be expanded to encompass the other areas pointed out. This will better reflect the multi-faceted role of quantity surveyors in various construction projects. Doing so will ultimately enhance project management and promote more efficient public utilisation of resources, especially for large infrastructure projects.

Madam Speaker, your Committee has reviewed Clause 18 of the Bill which addresses the title and designation of a registered quantity surveying professional. While it supports the principle behind the clause, your Committee has identified an unnecessary reference to the phrase “in the Constitution”. Your Committee is of the view that the title and designation of a quantity surveying professional should be protected by the law itself or through statutory instruments, and not necessarily enshrined in the constitution of the institute.

In this regard, Madam Speaker, your Committee recommends that Clause 18 be amended to remove the phrase "in the Constitution" and instead specify that "a registered quantity surveying professional shall use the title and designation as provided in the law". The change will ensure that the title is safeguarded in a legal framework that allows for the necessary adjustments.

Lastly, Madam Speaker, your Committee wishes to address the apparent overlap in the scope of work between quantity surveyors and engineers, particularly in areas such as design, costing, and implementation. This overlap, especially in engineering fields such as electrical, mechanical, and mining engineering, has raised concerns about potential conflict of responsibility.

Madam Speaker, to avoid confusion and ensure clear accountability, your Committee recommends that the Bill explicitly defines the roles and responsibilities of both quantity surveyors and engineers. It will ensure that functions relating to technical specifications such as design, material selection, costing, and project execution remain under the purview of the Engineering Institution of Zambia. At the same time, it will promote collaboration between these two professional groups, respecting the distinct roles each plays in the construction and engineering sectors.

Allow me to conclude, Madam Speaker, by stating that the Bill has great potential to strengthen the profession of quantity surveying and its contribution to national development. Your Committee’s recommendations are intended to enhance the Bill’s clarity, scope and alignment with international standards. I, therefore, urge all hon. Members to consider these suggestions as we move forward in passing this important piece of legislation.

Finally, Madam Speaker, I wish to pay tribute to stakeholders who interacted with your Committee. Gratitude also goes to you and the Office of the Clerk of the National Assembly for the guidance and support rendered to the Committee throughout its deliberations.

Madam Speaker, I thank you and beg to move.

Mr. Kampyongo: Madam Speaker, thank you for allowing me to make a few comments on the proposed Bill. I thank the Chairperson of your Committee for highlighting some issues.

Madam Speaker, this is a very critical profession in the engineering sector. We have heard of the challenges that we have had. For example, in the local authorities where the values for civil works have been varying for unjustifiable reasons. Take for instance a 1x3 classroom block costing different figures from one area to another. The quantity surveying profession is very critical because it works with ascertaining the cost and value. Its work relates to that of engineers and architects who design infrastructure. It will break down the cost aspects. It will give the estimated costs of undertaking a project. For example, when I went through the Report, I did not see much of the sanctions that will have to be meted out on those who will be found wanting.

Madam Speaker, as you know, one of the roles quantity surveyors play in quantifying works is that works that are paid on a pro-rata basis. They are the ones that go on the ground to ascertain how work could have been and how much money should be paid to the contractors. One will find that when the contractors abandon the project, the money that would have been paid to the contractor would be much more than the work that has been executed. So, it is important that with this Bill coming, we know whose duty it is because one would find engineers doing the quantity surveying reports, which is not their profession. That is why the chairperson was talking about overlapping duties.

Madam Speaker, with this Bill coming, it will help define the actual role that quantity surveyors should be playing and, indeed, make it easier both in the private and public sectors to appreciate what it takes to undertake construction works in a well-informed manner.

Madam Speaker, we have seen engineers being sanctioned for the quality of a building, in terms of structure. We would want to see sanctions that will be streamlined for quantity surveyors who are found wanting by misinforming clients or making them lose money where they should not because of negligence in the work that is done.

Madam Speaker, before I wind up, I would like to just put it on record that it is good to see Her Honour the Vice-President. I hope she will be here tomorrow so that we can interact with her after a long time.

I thank you, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: Awe, but you like talking about people.

Laughter

Madam Speaker: I am sure, Her Honour will be there tomorrow.

Mr Kapala: Madam Speaker, on this one, I agree with the hon. Member of Parliament for Shiwang’andu on the need to sanction quantity surveyors who usually do the initial cost estimates and are not able to justify the final cost at the end of the project.

Madam Speaker, the Executive has taken note of your Committee’s observations and recommendations, as well as the matters raised by various hon. Members that have debated your Committee report. The submissions from the hon. Members will help enrich the Bill and ensure that it reflects the aspirations of citizens.

Madam Speaker, as I conclude, I wish to address the issues of perceived overlap between the different professions in the built environment. I wish to inform the House that there are no overlaps in roles played by quantity surveyors and engineers on a project. Surveyors collaborate with engineers on projects just as they do with architects, with specific roles for each profession. Quantity surveyors are principally responsible for the management of construction costs on a project whilst the engineers and architects are responsible for designs and construction.

Madam Speaker, we have taken note of the guidance of your Committee on the need to ensure that the perceived overlap is addressed in the Bill.

Madam Speaker, I thank you.

Question put and agreed to and the Bill read a second time.

Committed to a committee of the Whole House.

Committee on Tuesday, 3^rd December, 2024.

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HOUSE IN COMMITTEE

[THE CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES in the

Chair]

THE INCOME TAX (Amendment) BILL, 2024

Clause 1 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clause 2 – (Amendment of Section 2)

The Minister of Finance and National Planning (Dr Musokotwane): Madam Chairperson, I beg to move an amendment in clause 2, on page 4, in line 3 by the deletion of the words “private and” and the substitution therefor of the words “private fund”.

Amendment agreed to. Clause amended accordingly.

Clause 2, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move a further amendment after clause 2, on page 4:

1. after line 8 by the insertion of the following new clause:

Amendment of section 30

3. Section 30 of the principal Act is amended by the deletion of subsections (1) and (2), and the substitution therefor of the following:   (1) A loss incurred by a person in a charge year from a source shall be deducted from fifty percent of the income of the person from the same source on which the loss was incurred.   (2) Where a loss referred to in subsection (1) exceeds fifty percent on income of a person from a charge year, the excess shall, as far as possible, be deducted from fifty percent of that person’s income from the same source on which the loss was incurred in the following charge year.; and

 

1. in lines 9 to 35 by the renumbering of clauses 3, 4 and 5 as clauses 4, 5 and 6 respectively.

 

Amendment agreed to. Clause further amended accordingly.

Clause 2 as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 3, 4, 5 and 6 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

CLAUSE 7 ˗ (Repeal and replacement of section 81B)

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move an amendment in clause 7, on page 5:

(a)          in lines 1 to 9 by the renumbering of clause 6 as clause 7;

(b)          after line 9 by the insertion of the following new clause:

Amendment of section 64A

8. Section 64A of the principal Act is amended in-   (a) subsection (2), by the deletion of the words “eight hundred thousand kwacha” and the substitution therefor of the words “five million kwacha”; and   (b) subsection (2A) (a), by the deletion of the words “eight hundred thousand kwacha” and the substitution therefor of the words “five million kwacha”.; and

 

1.           in lines 10 to 39 by the renumbering of clause 7 as clause 9.

 

4.       On page 7 by the renumbering of clauses 8, 9, 10 and 11 as clauses 10, 11, 12 and 13, respectively.

 

Amendment agreed to. Clause amended accordingly.

Clause 7 as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Causes 8, 9, 10 and 11 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

CLAUSE 12 ˗ (Amendment of Ninth Schedule)

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move an amendment in clause 12, on page 8:

 (a)     after line 17 by the insertion of the following new paragraph:

(b)      by the deletion of Part II and the substitution, therefore, of the following:

PART II

TAX ON TURNOVER

Turnover per annum	Tax Rate
K12, 000 or less	0 percent
Above K12, 000 up to K5,000,000	percent; and

1.   in lines 18 to 35 by the renumbering of paragraph (b) as paragraph (c);

     

1.  in lines 5 to 35 by the renumbering of clause 12 as 14.

 

Amendment agreed to. Clause amended accordingly.

Clause 12 as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

CLAUSE 13 ˗ (Amendment of Charging Schedule)

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move an amendment in in clause 13, on page 9:

         (a)        after line 13 by the insertion of the following new item:          

(ii)        (e) and the substitution therefore of the following:

(e)  the maximum rate of tax for the turnover received by a person or partnership from the letting of property shall be-

(i)         zero percent per annum on turnover as does not exceed twelve thousand kwacha;

(ii)        four percent per annum on turnover between twelve thousand and eight hundred thousand kwacha; and

(iii)       sixteen percent per annum on turn over as exceeds eight hundred thousand kwacha;;

(b)        in lines 14 to 28 by the renumbering of items (ii) and (iii) as items (iii) and (iv) respectively; and

(c)        in lines 1 to 42 by the renumbering of clause 13 as clause 15.

Amendment agreed to. Clause amended accordingly.

Clause 13 as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Title agreed to.

THE CUSTOMS AND EXCISE (Amendment) BILL, 2024

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Chairperson, by leave of the House, I seek to defer the Committee Stage of the Customs and Excise (Amendment) Bill, 2024, to a later date.

Question put and agreed to. Leave granted.

The debate on the Bill, by the leave, accordingly deferred.

THE MOBILE MONEY TRANSACTION LEVY BILL, 2024

Clauses, 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

 

CLAUSE 6 ˗ (Exemptions of payment of levy)

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move an amendment in clause 6, on page 7, in lines 16 to 25 by the deletion of clause 6 and the substitution therefor of the following:

6. The Minister may, by statutory instrument, exempt a person from payment of a levy.

1. In the Schedule, on page 9 by the deletion of the Schedule and the substitution therefor of the following:

SCHEDULE

(Section 5(1))

CHARGEABLE RATES

Amount Range (ZMW)	LEVY (ZMW)
From 0 to 150	0.16
Above 150 to 300	0.20
Above 300 to 500	0.40
Above 500 to 1,000	1.00
Above 1,000 to 3,000	1.60
Above 3,000 to 5,000	2.00
Above 5,000 to 10,000	3.00
Above 10,000	3.60

Amendment agreed to. Clause amended accordingly.

Clause 6 as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Clauses 9 ,10 and 11 ordered to be part of the Bill.

SCHEDULE

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move an amendment in the Schedule, on page 9, by the deletion of the Schedule and the substitution therefor of the following:

SCHEDULE

(Section 5 (1)

CHARGEABLE RATES

Amount range (ZMW)                  Levy (ZMW)

From 0 to 150                                0.16

Above 150 to 300                          0.20

Above 300 to 500                          0.40

Above 500 to 1000                        1.00

Above 100 to 3000                        1.60

Above 3000 to 5000                      2.00

Above 5000 to 10000                    3.00

Above 10,000                                3.60

Amendment agreed to. Schedule amended accordingly.

Schedule, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Title agreed to.

THE PROPERTY TAX AMENDMENT BILL, 2024

Clause 1 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

CLAUSE 2 – (Amendment of section 2)

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move amendment on page 4 after line 6 by the insertion of the following new clause:

Amendment of Section                 3. Section 4 of the principal Act is amended by the deletion of subsection (2) and the substitution therefor of the following:

(2) the rate of tax is:

1. ten percent of the realised value in respect of a mining right for a mining licence;
2. eight percent of the realised value in respect of a mining right for an exploration licence;
3. ten per cent of the realised value in respect of a mineral processing licence;
4. eight per cent of the realised value in respect of land;
5. eight per cent of the realised value in respect of shares; and
6. eight per cent of the realised value in respect of intellectual property.; and

In lines 7 to 13 by renumbering of clause 4.

Clause 2, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.    

Clause 3 ordered to stand part of the Bill.

Title agreed to.

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HOUSE RESUMED

[MADAM SPEAKER in the Chair]

The following Bill was reported to the House as having passed through Committee with amendments.

The Income Tax (Amendment) Bill, 2024

Report Stage on Friday, 29^th November, 2024.

The following Bills were reported to the House as having passed through Committee with amendments.

The Mobile Money Transaction Levy Bill, 2024 

The Property Transfer Tax (Amendment) Bill 

Third Readings on Friday, 29^th November, 2024.

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COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY

[THE CHAIRPERSON OF COMMITTEES in the

Chair]

(Consideration resumed)

VOTE 68 – (Ministry of Tourism – K1,289,935,340)

The Minister of Tourism (Mr Sikumba): Madam Speaker, I beg to move that K1,289,935,340 be approved in respect of Vote 68 – Ministry of Tourism in line with the programmes as outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you.

Mr A. Banda (Chimwemwe): Madam Chairperson, may I have clarification on page 586, Table one and sub programmes 26, it is on transfers. In 2024, the amount for transfers was K115,512,422 and now, it has gone up to K542,647,421 which is about over 400 per cent. What sought of transfers are these and why put so much money in transfers and yet we need money for other issues like the human animal conflict control.

Mr Sikumba: Madam Chairperson, may the hon. Member get back to the page number.

Mr A. Banda: Madam Chairperson, on page No. 586, the first Table and it is on transfers which is Sub Programme 26. In 2024, the ministry reserved K115,512,422, this was for only transfers. This year, it has gone to K542,647,421, which is more than 400 per cent. What sort of transfers are these? Are they really necessary? We are looking at human animal conflict. That is where we would want to see more money given. 

Mr Sikumba: Madam Chairperson, I do also note the increase of about 369 per cent on transfers. This is due to the concession loan that the Government got from the World Bank under the Green, Resilient and Transformational Tourism Development Project (GREAT-TDP), which it is implementing at the moment. You may wish to note that this project has been running through the various statutory bodies within the ministry. For ease of reference, I refer to the National Museums Board, the National Heritage Conservation Commission as well as the Zambia Tourism Agency.

Madam Chairperson, suffice to mention that we also have plans with regards to serious interventions related to human wildlife conflict which, obviously, is detailed in the Budget as well.

I thank you.

The Chairperson: Hon. Mung’andu, according to the Standing Orders, we are supposed to have one hon. Member from each political party.

Vote 68 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 77 – (Ministry of Defence – K10,241,380,242)

The Minister of Defence (Mr Lufuma): Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that K10,241,380,242 be approved in respect of Vote 77 – Ministry of Defence in line with the programmes as outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you.

Vote 77 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 78 – (Zambia Security Intelligence Service – Office of the President – K2,022,026,313)

The Vice-President (Mrs Nalumango): Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that K2,022,022,313 be approved in respect of Vote 78 – Zambia Security Intelligence Service – Office of the President, in line with the programme as outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you.

Vote 78 order to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 86 – (Ministry of Fisheries and Livestock K1,842,928,195)

The Minister of Fisheries and Livestock (Mr Kapala): Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that Head Total K1,842,928,195, be approved in respect of Vote 86 – Minister of Fisheries and Livestock, in line with the programme as outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Mr A. Banda: Madam Chairperson, may I take the hon. Minister to the Yellow Book on page 670 and Table 1 – Budget Allocation by Economic Classification – Programme 22: Goods and Services.

The Chairperson: Are you there, hon. Minister?

Mr A. Banda: Madam Chairperson, in 2024, Goods and Services gobbled K383,000 and this year, it has been pushed up to K917,000. That is a big difference. May I know what sort of goods and services those are?

Mr Kapala: Madam Chairperson, the increase is due to the drought effects this year.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 86 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 87 – (Anti-Corruption Commission – K179,886,457)

 The Vice-President: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that Head Total K179,886,457, be approved in respect of Vote 87 – Anti-Corruption Commission (ACC), in line with the programmes as outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 87 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 88 – (Office of the President ­Muchinga Province – K113,500,606)

The Vice-President: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that that Head Total K113,500,606, be approved in respect of Vote 88 – Office of the President – Muchinga Province, in line with the programmes as outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Interruptions

The Chairperson: Order, hon. Members!

Vote 88 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 90 – (Office of the President ­Lusaka Province – K164,381,393)

The Vice-President: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that Head Total K164,381,393 be approved in respect of Vote 90 – Office of the President – Lusaka Province, in line with the programmes as outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 90 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 91 – (Office of the President ­ Copperbelt Province – K154,810,370)

The Vice-President: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that Head Total 154,810,370 …

The Chairperson: Order, hon. Members!

 The voices are becoming louder. Can we allow the process to proceed. We have to finish this today.

The Vice-President … in respect of Vote 91 – Office of the President – Copperbelt Province, in line with the programmes as outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 91 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 92 – (Office of the President – Central Province- K143,107,194)

The Vice-President: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that K143,107,194 be approved in respect of Vote 92 – Office of the President – Central Province, in line with the programmes outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 92 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 93 – (Office of the President- Northern Province – K133,722,180)

The Vice-President: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that K133,722,180 be approved in respect of Vote 93 – Office of the President – Northern Province, in line with the programmes outlined in the Bellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 93 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 94 – (Office of the President- Western Province- K154,115,718)

The Vice-President: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that K154,115,718 be approved in respect of Vote 94 – Office of the President – Western Province, in line with the programmes outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 94 ordered to stand part of the Estimates

VOTE 95 – (Office of the President- Eastern Province – K147,736,369)

The Vice-President: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that K147,736,369 be approved in respect of Vote 95 – Office of the President – Eastern Province, in line with the programmes outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 95 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 96 – (Office of the President- Luapula Province – K136,610,494)

The Vice-President: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that K136,610,494 be approved in respect of Vote 96 – Office of the President- Luapula Province, in line with the programmes outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 96 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 97 – (Office of the President- North Western Province – K132,683,407)

The Vice-President: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that K132,683,407 be approved in respect of Vote 97 – Office of the President- North Western Province, in line with the programmes outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 97 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 98 – (Office of the President- Southern Province – K153,609,505)

The Vice-President: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that K153,609,505 be approved in respect of Vote 98 – Office of the President – Southern Province, in line with the programmes outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 98 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

Vote 97 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 98 – (Office of the President - Southern Province – K153, 609,505)

The Vice-President: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that K153,609,505 be approved in respect of Vote 98 – Office of the President – Southern Province, in line with the programmes as outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 98 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

VOTE 99 – (Constitutional and Statutory Expenditure – K58, 005,993,422)

Dr Musokotwane: Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that K58,005,993,422 be approved in respect of Vote 99 – Constitutional and Statutory Expenditure, in line with the programmes as outlined in the Yellow Book.

I thank you, Madam Chairperson.

Vote 99 ordered to stand part of the Estimates.

Hon. Members: Hear, hear!

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HOUSE RESUMED

[MADAM SPEAKER in the Chair]

The Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure (Including Capital and Constitutional and Statutory Expenditure) for the year 1^st January, 2025 to 31^st December, 2025 were reported to the House as having passed through the Committee with amendments.

Hon. Members: Hear, hear!

Report adopted and Madam Speaker appointed the Minister of Finance and National planning to be a committee of one to bring up the necessary Bill to give effect to the resolution of the Committee of Supply.

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BILL

FIRST READING

The following Bill was read the first time:

Appropriation Bill N.A.B No.32 of 2024.

Second Reading on Friday, 29^th November, 2024.

Hon. Members: Hear, hear!

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MOTION

ADJOURNMENT

The Vice-President (Mrs Nalumango): Madam Speaker I beg to move that the House do now adjourn.

Madam Speaker: Order! Hon. Members.

Question put and agreed to.

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The House adjourned at 1640 hours until 0900 hours on Friday, 29^th November, 2024.

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